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US blogger fined 8,000 Euros by France for criticizing Société Générale

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Re: US blogger fined 8,000 Euros by France for criticizing Société Générale

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Post by JoeAltmaier »

mtrimpe wrote: post #28
witek wrote: post #19

Hilarious. It baffles me how this country continues to operate given the massive public spending/benefits, delightful reforms (e.g. proposed 80% tax rate for high-earners) and pretty xenophobic view on immigration. ALL of my (highly-skilled) French friends do not plan to return in the foreseeable future.

>ALL of my (highly-skilled) French friends do not plan to return in the foreseeable future. You are aware that there might be a tiny hint of selection bias at play there... right? ;)

Sure! All skilled folks that leave France, don't want to go back. That's the point.

Re: US blogger fined 8,000 Euros by France for criticizing Société Générale

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Post by bausson »

camus2 wrote: post #32

Not surprising, there is no free speech in France. Especially when it comes to crooked banks or politicians. France is a strange country that likes to give lessons about democracy to the rest of the world, but when you look at things closer, France is closer to a monarchy than a democracy. Everything is so centralised that information usually comes from an single source of truth, that journalist dont even bother ques…

>France is a strange country that likes to give lessons about democracy to the rest of the world

Coming from an american (I guess), i find this hilarious.

>France is closer to a monarchy than a democracy. I can get the comparison, current constitution was made to give important powers to the president (heavily influenced by Charles de Gaulle, which wasn't the best idea).

American democracy funding looks very much like bi-partisan plutocracy, when looked from outside, so not really a model. (And honestly, why stop with the work half-done? Be honest and bring it to one party. Or is it even harder to give democracy lesson afterward?

Re: US blogger fined 8,000 Euros by France for criticizing Société Générale

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Post by iSnow »

>The AFM has no jurisdiction over me, so they won't collect. As a US citizen living in the US, I am not subject to the absurdities of French laws, or French witch hunts.

Just you wait till the transatlantic free-trade association is in place...

Re: US blogger fined 8,000 Euros by France for criticizing Société Générale

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Post by nraynaud »

nandhp wrote: post #30
shrikant wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Courts in France have never bothered about jurisdiction when it comes to the Internet. See [1] and [2], for e.g. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LICRA_v._Yahoo ! [2] http://news.yahoo.com/french-court-google-must-drop-9-mosley...

Also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_Wikipedia#France (Although I'm not sure any courts were involved in that)

There was actually less than any court involved there, any rogue policeman could do that, somehow it's not even a censorship problem but a more general procedural problem that happened to involve censorship. The poor guy didn't know that you should always call a lawyer and not listen to the police when you're detained (they tell people calling a lawyer will result in longer detainment).

Re: US blogger fined 8,000 Euros by France for criticizing Société Générale

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Post by jackmaney »

coldcode wrote: post #40
csmuk wrote: post #24

UK banks are just as bad. A company I worked for previously gave a bank's investment products a high risk rating because of poor investments/compliance and they sent all sorts of nasty shit out. Every bank has a "send people nasty shit" department by the looks. The answer is as always: "fuck off".

Nasty Shit Sender would be an interesting job title.

Roto-Rooter?

Re: US blogger fined 8,000 Euros by France for criticizing Société Générale

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Post by ozh »

camus2 wrote: post #32

Not surprising, there is no free speech in France. Especially when it comes to crooked banks or politicians. France is a strange country that likes to give lessons about democracy to the rest of the world, but when you look at things closer, France is closer to a monarchy than a democracy. Everything is so centralised that information usually comes from an single source of truth, that journalist dont even bother ques…

That comment is just as insightful if your replace "France" with any other random country.

Re: US blogger fined 8,000 Euros by France for criticizing Société Générale

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Post by baby »

camus2 wrote: post #32

Not surprising, there is no free speech in France. Especially when it comes to crooked banks or politicians. France is a strange country that likes to give lessons about democracy to the rest of the world, but when you look at things closer, France is closer to a monarchy than a democracy. Everything is so centralised that information usually comes from an single source of truth, that journalist dont even bother ques…

> Not surprising, there is no free speech in France.

Entirely false, except if you mean ABSOLUTE free speech. In this case I would argue no country has one. I guess you come from the US? See : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_excep...

> Especially when it comes to crooked banks or politicians.

Weren't we talking about the 1% recently where you live?

> France is closer to a monarchy than a democracy.

I like those empty statements.

Furthermore, who is upvoting your comment? It's just plain bashing with no real arguments.

Re: US blogger fined 8,000 Euros by France for criticizing Société Générale

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Post by bausson »

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #51
mtrimpe wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>ALL of my (highly-skilled) French friends do not plan to return in the foreseeable future. You are aware that there might be a tiny hint of selection bias at play there... right? ;)

Sure! All skilled folks that leave France, don't want to go back. That's the point.

ALL of my (highly-skilled) french friends still in France do not plan to leave in the foreseeable future.

All my (highly-skilled) foreigner friends do not plan to leave either.

So with your argumentation, France is probably the best country in the world.

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