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Make-A-Wish Foundation Turns San Francisco Into Gotham for 5-Year-Old Batkid

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Re: Make-A-Wish Foundation Turns San Francisco Into Gotham for 5-Year-Old Batkid

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It's nice to help suffering people. The recurring pattern I see, however, is: We single out 0.001% of all cases, do something extraordinary, and make a big fuss about it in the media. All this to make us feel good about ourselves. What we don't want to fix though, are the real causes of the problems, because that's way less pleasant to do.

What are you talking about? "What we don't want to fix though, are the real causes of the problems" I'm pretty sure a crap ton of people are working on solving "the problem" aka cancer. The world is filled with shitty things, can't people create the occasional extraordinary experience/ scenario just to make people feel good?

Some people can only complain, all you can do is avoid them.

Re: Make-A-Wish Foundation Turns San Francisco Into Gotham for 5-Year-Old Batkid

#52
post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bruce Wayne had it covered.

Perhaps "Bruce Wayne's" money might have been better spent in providing base line care and medical research to the benefit of many, rather than spending it on a big PR stunt.

I think you're totally missing the point of the Make-A-Wish foundation -- the MAW foundation isn't for care. It's to make the life of a child who's been affected by a life-threatening disease a little bit better so that they can enjoy something magical in their life.

Re: Make-A-Wish Foundation Turns San Francisco Into Gotham for 5-Year-Old Batkid

#53
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post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whenever I meet someone who asks for donations in the name of sick kids I politely refuse. I am always skeptical as to where that money actually goes. But when I read this report I am willing to donate more money to this organization. The story is not just heartwarming it has served number of purposes. I got to know more about the disease, the organizations involved and most importantly it has motivated me to give mo…

> But when I read this report I am willing to donate more money to this organization. At the risk of being overly cynical, and putting words into mark_integerdsv's mouth, I believe that's almost exactly what he's arguing against. Make-a-wish spends $7.5k on each wish on average[1]. Whereas something like Schistosomiasis Control Initiative per-child cost is $5[2]. That is, the money spent "granting wishes" could perfo…

GiveWell estimate the cost per life saved for the Schistosomiasis Control Initiative to be around $1700-$3800, while the $7,500 that Make-a-wish spends per child, while a wonderful gesture, does not actually save their life.

Re: Make-A-Wish Foundation Turns San Francisco Into Gotham for 5-Year-Old Batkid

#54

I really felt some strong emotions while reading through this. It's amazing. The news spot just has to the the cherry on top. So happy for this kid that he had an awesome day. It does restore some faith in humanity to see things like this. ...however... I hate myself for being the contrarian in this case but as a South African and having worked with one or two NGOs that work with sick people in general, including kid…

Judging an act by its consequences seems like a frightfully hard-nosed, rational thing to do; the problem with trying to put it into practice is that we tend to end up judging only by the superficially obvious consequences and ignoring the more important long-term effects.

It's easy to compare the nominal cost of this event with the idea that it only helped one person, but the latter isn't actually true; it obviously brightened the lives of thousands of people, and not just with shallow entertainment but with the opportunity to lift their gazes from the mud and look at the sky, to reflect for a moment on their place in the world. I have no idea how to calculate the benefit from that, but it wouldn't surprise me if it greatly outweighed the cost.

As you say, truckloads of aid money has been pouring into Africa for decades, and not only has it not produced the promised results, it has been argued by people familiar with what actually happens there that it does more harm than good: http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/spiegel-intervie...

By contrast, smartphones are connecting Africa to modern civilization, and that's something that might actually make a positive difference. There is after all no intrinsic reason Africans can't provide food and water and medicine for themselves just as people do in Europe and America and large parts of what used to be the Third World. What's missing is knowhow and organization. A truckload of money dumped into projects that feel good to rich Westerners won't provide those things. Putting the knowledge of humanity at the fingertips of individual Africans just might.

And yet those phones weren't paid for by charity, because the people running charities are mortal and fallible; they just can't see that far ahead. The phones were paid for primarily by rich Westerners buying them as toys.

The world is more complex than any of us can know. Enjoy your toys with a clear conscience.

Re: Make-A-Wish Foundation Turns San Francisco Into Gotham for 5-Year-Old Batkid

#55
I think one issue with this sort of thing is people feel like they either have to feel warm, positive emotions about this, or prove that it is somehow harmful or at least not beneficial.

I assume there is some small benefit to this kind of action, but I don't have any emotional connection or interest in it.

Re: Make-A-Wish Foundation Turns San Francisco Into Gotham for 5-Year-Old Batkid

#56

I really felt some strong emotions while reading through this. It's amazing. The news spot just has to the the cherry on top. So happy for this kid that he had an awesome day. It does restore some faith in humanity to see things like this. ...however... I hate myself for being the contrarian in this case but as a South African and having worked with one or two NGOs that work with sick people in general, including kid…

Don't let yourself go down that road of thinking. If you judge every happiness done for others based on how many other people it could have helped, you will eventually suck all the joy out of every endeavor of yourself and others. Weighing souls will weigh down yours.

On a purely money note, Make-a-wish got a lot of publicity and goodwill which will help in other fund raising efforts so they can help even more people. It was an extremely good (and common) trade for a NGO. For example, the cost of holding an art show generally pays dividends in getting money to teach more artists. The "show" pays for a lot of "nuts & bolts".

Re: Make-A-Wish Foundation Turns San Francisco Into Gotham for 5-Year-Old Batkid

#57

I really felt some strong emotions while reading through this. It's amazing. The news spot just has to the the cherry on top. So happy for this kid that he had an awesome day. It does restore some faith in humanity to see things like this. ...however... I hate myself for being the contrarian in this case but as a South African and having worked with one or two NGOs that work with sick people in general, including kid…

Judging an act by its consequences seems like a frightfully hard-nosed, rational thing to do; the problem with trying to put it into practice is that we tend to end up judging only by the superficially obvious consequences and ignoring the more important long-term effects. It's easy to compare the nominal cost of this event with the idea that it only helped one person, but the latter isn't actually true; it obviously…

While I totally agree with most of the sentiments you have expressed I do need to point out one issue I have with your comment:

>There is after all no intrinsic reason Africans can't provide food and water and medicine for themselves just as people do in Europe and America and large parts of what used to be the Third World. What's missing is knowhow and organization.

This comment is totally ignorant of the scale of the problems faced in the third world.

Ridding ourselves of corruption and getting together a solid plan still leaves us with massive problems to fix. Truly, MASSIVE problems.

It is the scale that requires capital and make no mistake that the first world has no small amount of complicity in the current state of the rest of our world.

I agree with you that money isn't going to solve it all.

Throwing money at it is largely a case of too little too late.

Re: Make-A-Wish Foundation Turns San Francisco Into Gotham for 5-Year-Old Batkid

#59
post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't the whole economy about fictional money paying for real money?

The GP says fictional _characters_.

Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't know that the fictional characters were using real money, I should retract my statement.
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