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Re: Wikileaks publishes 500k new Stratfor emails

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Post by brymaster » Sat, Nov 16, 2013, 1:12 AM UTC

joshfraser wrote: post #46

It's a weird feeling reading other people's email. I'm sad to see Wikileaks didn't at least do a quick regex pass to remove the credit cards (yup, found some) and the personal love notes. I'm generally a supporter of Wikileaks, but mass dumps like this aren't responsible and only give more ammunition to their detractors.

These "people" are looking to profit from misery (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6742844).

Wikileaks is attempting to provide transparency in a world where that doesn't much exist so boo-fucking-hoo if somebody's Mastercard gets leaked in the process.

Mass dumps aren't adding any more "ammunition" for their detractors than some sort of filtered dump would. Detractors don't need much of a reason to dislike what Wikileaks is doing beyond the fact that they've been exposed.

Re: Wikileaks publishes 500k new Stratfor emails

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Post by robomartin » Sat, Nov 16, 2013, 1:13 AM UTC

Question for game theorists: Is here a realistic scenario under which the entire world could disarm and shift from coming up with better ways to kill people to more constructive pursuits.

Please don't say "A visit from Vulcans"

Re: Wikileaks publishes 500k new Stratfor emails

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Post by loceng » Sat, Nov 16, 2013, 1:13 AM UTC

joshfraser wrote: post #46

It's a weird feeling reading other people's email. I'm sad to see Wikileaks didn't at least do a quick regex pass to remove the credit cards (yup, found some) and the personal love notes. I'm generally a supporter of Wikileaks, but mass dumps like this aren't responsible and only give more ammunition to their detractors.

If more people funded to hire people or people volunteered to go through the content first, then sure - otherwise it's important to release content like kid0m4n posted in a comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6742844

Re: Wikileaks publishes 500k new Stratfor emails

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Post by LispShmisp » Sat, Nov 16, 2013, 1:13 AM UTC

Are files available via torrent/web somewhere? I'd appreciate if someone has a link to share.

Re: Wikileaks publishes 500k new Stratfor emails

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Post by loceng » Sat, Nov 16, 2013, 1:14 AM UTC

rickhanlonii wrote: post #39

kid0m4n wrote: post #11

Oh, this is so classy: https://search.wikileaks.org/gifiles/?viewemailid=8402 Quote: Oh, they have enough weapons. Now the serious game begins as Reva pointed out. The investigation of the attack is not interesting. I suspect the findings have already been reached before the first investigator got to work. Now the question is how India responds. God willing, the Indian response will make us a lot of money. This after…

I'm about to throw up. Here's what that message was a reply to: -----Original Message----- From: eisenstein@stratfor.com [mailto:eisenstein@stratfor.com] Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 10:02 AM To: Fred Burton Cc: Subject: Re: Reva rocks Will be glad to supply weapons to both sides if India and Pakistan want a cage match. India gets the net and trident and the pakistanis get the shield and short sword. Kamran can…

These people should be hung.

Re: Wikileaks publishes 500k new Stratfor emails

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Post by loceng » Sat, Nov 16, 2013, 1:16 AM UTC

dandelany wrote: post #40

grecy wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These kinds of people need to be in prison, not the people exposing what they're doing.

What do you mean by "these kinds of people"? Greedy people? People who say things that are tasteless and mean? I'm pretty sure there's no law against any of that. Please enlighten me re: the law they've broken, otherwise I hope you can see the inherent irony in your statement... edit: I'm not being ornery, I'm really actually curious what people think they should go to prison for. Tastelessness != criminality.

Laws are made up by humans - we could create laws that disallow this kind of behaviour, it's a bit surprising that it's not, no? Oh wait, the for-profit military-industrial complex lobbies politicians who are pro-war ...

Re: Wikileaks publishes 500k new Stratfor emails

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Post by loceng » Sat, Nov 16, 2013, 1:17 AM UTC

hansjorg wrote: post #20

kid0m4n wrote: post #11

Oh, this is so classy: https://search.wikileaks.org/gifiles/?viewemailid=8402 Quote: Oh, they have enough weapons. Now the serious game begins as Reva pointed out. The investigation of the attack is not interesting. I suspect the findings have already been reached before the first investigator got to work. Now the question is how India responds. God willing, the Indian response will make us a lot of money. This after…

It's just business. Conflict is extremely profitable. Unfortunately, 164 people is a drop in a bucket in an ocean.

You don't see a problem with this?

Re: Wikileaks publishes 500k new Stratfor emails

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Post by refurb » Sat, Nov 16, 2013, 1:19 AM UTC

pnathan wrote: post #38

jshq111 wrote: post #17

Wiki leaks is embarrassing itself. Stratfor is a silly bunch of blowhards who repackage the Economist for gullible subscribers who think these jokers are some secret intelligence agents.

Actually, Stratfor tends to have a unique perspective on the news. I've been signed up for their free email thread for a while, and while I've never been blown away, they do have a better-than-most longform approach to news. It definitely beats CNN.

I'd have to agree. Stratfor has some incredible analysis in their articles. Stuff the mainstream media overlooks in an effort to make news easily digestible.

Re: Wikileaks publishes 500k new Stratfor emails

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Post by jshq111 » Sat, Nov 16, 2013, 1:21 AM UTC

pnathan wrote: post #38

jshq111 wrote: post #17

Wiki leaks is embarrassing itself. Stratfor is a silly bunch of blowhards who repackage the Economist for gullible subscribers who think these jokers are some secret intelligence agents.

Actually, Stratfor tends to have a unique perspective on the news. I've been signed up for their free email thread for a while, and while I've never been blown away, they do have a better-than-most longform approach to news. It definitely beats CNN.

I've had the "privilege" of getting access to the paid product via work some years ago. I found that they did accurately predict 100 of the next 2 crises (ie if you say every day disaster is imminent some days really bad things randomly occur). But beyond the quality of their content, Stratfor intimates they have some proprietary pipeline to govt classified intelligence when they have no more access than any other person with Google and a subscription to the NY times. Wikileaks embarasses itself and does Stratfor a great service by perpetrating the marketing hoax that Stratfor is anything but a bunch of guys in Texas rehashing public news sources for gullible corporate consumers.

Re: Wikileaks publishes 500k new Stratfor emails

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Post by olefoo » Sat, Nov 16, 2013, 1:22 AM UTC

dandelany wrote: post #40

grecy wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These kinds of people need to be in prison, not the people exposing what they're doing.

What do you mean by "these kinds of people"? Greedy people? People who say things that are tasteless and mean? I'm pretty sure there's no law against any of that. Please enlighten me re: the law they've broken, otherwise I hope you can see the inherent irony in your statement... edit: I'm not being ornery, I'm really actually curious what people think they should go to prison for. Tastelessness != criminality.

If they are actually engaged in selling weapons; well, arms trafficking is generally a crime unless you are very close to your government and very up to date on the paperwork. And even then most people would consider it a "moral crime", to profit from the misery of war.