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Downloading on Sourceforge hasn't been a pleasant experience for a long time, and we have to live with that because it's free. But now an installer? I have to say it's crazy.
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$ 5000 seems way too much. 50 TB of traffic would cost something like $ 200 (if all downloads were from the US or Europe) to $ 450 (if all of were from South America) according to this page: https://aws.amazon.com/cloudfront/?navclick=true#pricing That's still a lot of money, of course.
Can you recheck your maths? It is $0.08/GB (to Internet in the US 10-50TB volume price) not $0.0008/GB 1000 GB == 1TB $0.08 * 50 * 1000 = $4,000 Or have I missed something?
According to [2] that file is 90.1 megabytes
So that one file used 122.5 TB of bandwidth in that month.
Assume for the purposes of argument this is 100% from the US and follows the cloudfront pricing outlined at [3], and per-request costs are trivial.
(10 terabytes) * (0.120 US$ per gigabyte)
+ (40 terabytes) * (0.080 US$ per gigabyte)
+ ((122.5-50) terabytes) * (0.060 US$ per gigabyte) in US$
= 8960 US$ [4]
It gets more expensive if people download from other countries, and 22% of downloads were for different files not included in the download count for the most popular file, which I used above. It would be trivial to top $12,000 a month in cloudfront fees.
[1] http://sourceforge.net/projects/gimp-win/files/GIMP%20%2B%20... [2] http://sourceforge.net/projects/gimp-win/files/GIMP%20%2B%20... [3] https://aws.amazon.com/cloudfront/#pricing [4] https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=(10+terabytes)+*+(0.120+US...
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i cant imagine that it's better than torrent
Most companies block torrents. And software that does torrent downloads often gets flagged as badware. We considered building torrent into the PortableApps.com Platform and getting users to help share bandwidth with other users, but those stumbling blocks are pretty big ones.
Most companies also block random software like PortableApps.com.
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That article gets a lot of things very wrong as I pointed out when it was posted on HN last time (you'll see my comment at the top): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6262347 Github is an option for some folks but not for us. We need solid file hosting with lots of bandwidth (pushing well over 50TB a month at SF) that will be sticking around next month and next year. In my comment linked above, I mention that Gith…
You should then consider a better host. SourceForge is clearly a scamware host now; maybe ever since Dice.com took over. And to be honest, just seeing a file hosted on SourceForge casts doubts on the quality of the app. - Most users just click OK for installers, it is like the EULA - I am yet to see a toolbar that does anything useful to anybody; other than make their system slower and buggy. I hold a very low opinio…
Is their an opensource hosting service that provides a build service for binaries ? a little bit like Travis but just for builds , that would build bins for you and make it available to download ?
The link in the article sums up the "what happened to Sourceforge" pretty well: http://www.gluster.org/2013/08/how-far-the-once-mighty-sourc... The OSS project I maintained for several years was always in the top 10 downloaded lists on Sourceforge, but I got frustrated with how things were going and eventually moved the code to Github and hosted a simple website on my own. Honestly, I can't think of a reason why an O…
That article gets a lot of things very wrong as I pointed out when it was posted on HN last time (you'll see my comment at the top): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6262347 Github is an option for some folks but not for us. We need solid file hosting with lots of bandwidth (pushing well over 50TB a month at SF) that will be sticking around next month and next year. In my comment linked above, I mention that Gith…
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You should then consider a better host. SourceForge is clearly a scamware host now; maybe ever since Dice.com took over. And to be honest, just seeing a file hosted on SourceForge casts doubts on the quality of the app. - Most users just click OK for installers, it is like the EULA - I am yet to see a toolbar that does anything useful to anybody; other than make their system slower and buggy. I hold a very low opinio…
> And to be honest, just seeing a file hosted on SourceForge casts doubts on the quality of the app. I couldn't agree more. Whenever a session of searching for a solution ultimately lands me on a sourceforge page, I feel a pit form in my stomach. When it happens it typically means one of two things, often both: I took a terribly wrong turn somewhere, and/or I am in for a world of hurt. Contrast this with finding myse…
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> And to be honest, just seeing a file hosted on SourceForge casts doubts on the quality of the app. I couldn't agree more. Whenever a session of searching for a solution ultimately lands me on a sourceforge page, I feel a pit form in my stomach. When it happens it typically means one of two things, often both: I took a terribly wrong turn somewhere, and/or I am in for a world of hurt. Contrast this with finding myse…
github signals fly by night to many.
And by user, I do not mean a dumb user. I would consider myself the user of a library if I'm not planning to contribute. I can only contribute meaningfully to a dozen of OSS projects; for the others I'm pretty much an ordinary user. In that case I care much more about introduction, documentation and stable releases. Github is pretty much useless by itself in these cases, and the idea that you can just dump a half-assed readme and "call it a day" is something that I've only seen since github became popular.
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i cant imagine that it's better than torrent
I don't think it is. Sourceforge is very user-oriented (in contrast, GitHub is very coder-oriented). Non tech-savvy users don't know how to download software using torrents while HTTP just works using one click.
For users with adblock. I would never send my technically illiterate friends to SF as there is a high chance they click on an ad instead of the real download.