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Announcing The Dark Mail Alliance – Founded by Silent Circle and Lavabit

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Re: Announcing The Dark Mail Alliance – Founded by Silent Circle and Lavabit

#51

I appreciate the cheekiness of calling it the "Dark Mail Alliance", but from a purely PR perspective, it would make sense to reconsider your name if you are taking the position that encrypted end-to-end email is not solely an interest of those pursuing shady or deviant activities.

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Re: Announcing The Dark Mail Alliance – Founded by Silent Circle and Lavabit

#52
post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the relevance? This isn't a spam fighting endeavor.

When you go through the trouble of reinventing email to provide proper security, you should also solve the spam problem as part of the protocol. It would be great if the recipient could specify the amount of proof of work required for example. Or ask for a certain amount of bitcoin in exchange for accepting promotional material. Or a mail attribute that indicates it's a newsletter. Lots of interesting possibilities.

> you should also solve the spam problem as part of the protocol.

I disagree. Different problems sometimes require mutually exclusive solutions.

In fact, receiving lots of unsolicited mail provides some plausible deniability. So a spam free-for-all might actually be a useful part of the new network.

Re: Announcing The Dark Mail Alliance – Founded by Silent Circle and Lavabit

#53

Terrible name.

I submit, "Envelope." It's a good analogy, since now we're essentially sending all of our email on postcards.

An envelope is a good analogy for the 2.0 method described in the article. Contents are more secure but metadata is not.

Re: Announcing The Dark Mail Alliance – Founded by Silent Circle and Lavabit

#54
post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the relevance? This isn't a spam fighting endeavor.

When you go through the trouble of reinventing email to provide proper security, you should also solve the spam problem as part of the protocol. It would be great if the recipient could specify the amount of proof of work required for example. Or ask for a certain amount of bitcoin in exchange for accepting promotional material. Or a mail attribute that indicates it's a newsletter. Lots of interesting possibilities.

Right, sender pays. https://github.com/zedshaw/utu

Re: Announcing The Dark Mail Alliance – Founded by Silent Circle and Lavabit

#57

I appreciate the cheekiness of calling it the "Dark Mail Alliance", but from a purely PR perspective, it would make sense to reconsider your name if you are taking the position that encrypted end-to-end email is not solely an interest of those pursuing shady or deviant activities.

I totally agree, I really think you should change the name.

Some suggestions:

- Locke Mail [from John Locke]

- Mill Mail [from John Stuart Mill]

- Hobbes Mail

- Liberty Mail

Re: Announcing The Dark Mail Alliance – Founded by Silent Circle and Lavabit

#58

I appreciate the cheekiness of calling it the "Dark Mail Alliance", but from a purely PR perspective, it would make sense to reconsider your name if you are taking the position that encrypted end-to-end email is not solely an interest of those pursuing shady or deviant activities.

I think the "Dark" in "Dark Mail Alliance" is meant more in the sense that it's "off the grid" of NSA spying capabilities, not that it's meant to be used for nefarious purposes.

Re: Announcing The Dark Mail Alliance – Founded by Silent Circle and Lavabit

#59
post #9

Terrible name.

Also agreed. It's for the same reason I don't like the name darknet. The FBI was already lobbying Congress and saying the Internet is "going dark", implying that they thought that will scare congress into acting, and giving them more powers. It should be named the Private Mail Protocol, or something. If it stands up to scrutiny, as soon as there is a nice looking e-mail client for it, I'll start using it, and try to…

I think Google might adopt it. If it's decrypted in the client (i.e. the Gmail web interface) Google would still be able to inject ads based on your email. That allows them to maintain monetization while having the ability to claim end-to-end security.

Re: Announcing The Dark Mail Alliance – Founded by Silent Circle and Lavabit

#60

I appreciate the cheekiness of calling it the "Dark Mail Alliance", but from a purely PR perspective, it would make sense to reconsider your name if you are taking the position that encrypted end-to-end email is not solely an interest of those pursuing shady or deviant activities.

I think it implies "hidden". As in "Dark Matter" or not having light shone on your work. I didn't think of it as "the Dark Side" or anything.
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