Isn't switching from low-fat to low-carb just trading one dogma for another?
Sweden becomes the first country to reject low-fat diet dogma
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Re: Sweden becomes the first country to reject low-fat diet dogma
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The consumption of plants is unethical, they're living organisms too!
Animals experience suffering and pain on a far more visceral level than spinach. To suggest otherwise is dishonest.
They also experience life more viscerally than spinach. What's your point. Tis better to have loved and lost than to never have loved at all. Also bacon is tasty.
Keep your moral proscriptions to your self.
Re: Sweden becomes the first country to reject low-fat diet dogma
#53This article misrepresents the underlying research and seems to invent some facts from whole cloth. > Sweden has become the first Western nation to develop national dietary guidelines that reject the popular low-fat diet dogma in favor of low-carb high-fat nutrition advice. Where is the evidence that Sweden has developed "national dietary guidelines"? All the sources link back to the paper [1][2] entitled "Dietary Tr…
Swede here.
Here is a google translate from the "government agency of food" website, stating their stance on low-carb high-fat.
http://translate.google.se/translate?hl=sv&sl=sv&tl=en&u=htt...
They also provide national dietary guidelines, found on the site.
Re: Sweden becomes the first country to reject low-fat diet dogma
#54Wow at the low-carb comments. Way to reject a dogma with another dogma. I have a daily intake of 400g of carbohydrates. According to you I'd be overwheight and dying of diabetes, cancer, metabolic syndrome and whatnot. Exercise daily, provide adequate protein intake and watch out the calories. That's it. No need to blame food but yourselves.
> According to you I'd be overwheight and dying of diabetes, cancer, metabolic syndrome and whatnot. Nope, not sure where you get that idea from. > Exercise daily, provide adequate protein intake and watch out the calories. That's it. So I can eat a few chicken breasts a day, and then 1,500 kcal of mars bars? Sounds great! Alternatively if you're trying to lose weight, you can simply cut out the sugar. Exercise is of…
> So I can eat a few chicken breasts a day, and then 1,500 kcal of mars bars? Sounds great!
Doesn't it?
The only issue with sugars are the null effect on satiety and promotion of binge eating. The reason some folks work so well on lowcarb diets is because sugars make it easy to overeat, but that's just a way to create a caloric deficit for them.
Now, I bet most folks here on HN are much more quantitative oriented than the average person, so why limiting yourself to a small set of foods (paleo, keto), when you can free yourself and get away eating pretty much whatever you want, as long as you track the calorie intake?
Re: Sweden becomes the first country to reject low-fat diet dogma
#55Wow at the low-carb comments. Way to reject a dogma with another dogma. I have a daily intake of 400g of carbohydrates. According to you I'd be overwheight and dying of diabetes, cancer, metabolic syndrome and whatnot. Exercise daily, provide adequate protein intake and watch out the calories. That's it. No need to blame food but yourselves.
To be fair, you probably know how carbohydrate works in your body and why you need them when you exercise, etc. The problem is, most people don't have a clue and are not really interested in knowing, and most people are not going to start exercise ever. I eat 300-500g of carbs after the gym as well, but at the same time my recommendation for anyone that doesn't go the gym (and is rather sedentary) would be to cut most of the carbs.
Re: Sweden becomes the first country to reject low-fat diet dogma
#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
Animals experience suffering and pain on a far more visceral level than spinach. To suggest otherwise is dishonest.
They also experience life more viscerally than spinach. What's your point. Tis better to have loved and lost than to never have loved at all. Also bacon is tasty. Keep your moral proscriptions to your self.
> What's your point.
My point is that the person above me suggested it's also unethical to eat plants because they are also living organisms. I'm pointing out the mistreatment of animals (obviously) is far less ethical than mistreatment of plants.
> Tis better to have loved and lost than to never have loved at all.
If you're suggesting it's better to exist than not exist, it depends. I'd rather not have existed at all rather than exist in a torturous and hopeless existence.
> Keep your moral proscriptions to your self.
You don't know me. I eat more meat than most people. It's just that people are in my opinion overly dismissive of the ethical problems with eating meat and it's hard to discuss these ethics because a lot of people are overly dismissive or retort with silly counterpoints such as "plants are also living organisms".
Re: Sweden becomes the first country to reject low-fat diet dogma
#57My wife and I have been on a very low carb / high fat diet for the last 4 months, and we have never felt better. Eating lots of eggs, bacon, steak, butter, some veggies and fruit. We both lost weight too. Also cut out processed food, sugar and grains — bread, pasta, rice, cereal — basically a ketogenic diet, which adapts the body to burning fat more readily. We both have also noticed that we just feel more mental cla…
>Eating lots of eggs, bacon, steak The problem with that is that the consumption of animal products is unethical. You should consider switching to a vegan low-carb diet to decrease suffering.
You're getting down voted a lot, but there's no doubt in my mind that in 100 years, given the current trends in political correctness and suitability of artificial meat, this will flip 180 degrees.
The treatment of the animals our food comes from is an issue that, as we get richer, we will begin to have the luxury to care about and the tools to fix.
You can go to jail for being especially cruel to your dog (and rightly so), but somehow the treatment of chickens packed in cages without room to move their entire lives is only recently becoming a concern.
And I say this as someone who eats meat and doesn't feel that it's wrong. If I live long enough maybe I'll change my mind.
Re: Sweden becomes the first country to reject low-fat diet dogma
#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
> According to you I'd be overwheight and dying of diabetes, cancer, metabolic syndrome and whatnot. Nope, not sure where you get that idea from. > Exercise daily, provide adequate protein intake and watch out the calories. That's it. So I can eat a few chicken breasts a day, and then 1,500 kcal of mars bars? Sounds great! Alternatively if you're trying to lose weight, you can simply cut out the sugar. Exercise is of…
> Doesn't sound fun, or easy at all. There are other ways. You'd think, with the title of this webpage, that most would be interested in ways of elegantly and easily solving problems that are important to themselves. But it seems that the constant chanting of no pain no gain has left a lot of people with the conviction that, when it comes to health, things should not be easy nor simple.
What if people took the same tack when it comes to mental processes? "Math is challenging, so I refuse to do any". "Reading books is too hard because I have to look up some of the words". Surely we can agree that challenging your mind is a good thing.
Is it impossible to find any enjoyment in challenging your body as well as mind?
Re: Sweden becomes the first country to reject low-fat diet dogma
#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Fat that you eat can be converted handily into energy" What is this supposed to mean? That an overabundance of carbs is bad, while an overabundance of fat isn't? This is getting ridiculous.
By "Fat that you eat can be converted into energy" I meant that just because you eat fat doesn't mean it's going right to your belly or hips. And a lot of people are terrified of consuming 5 grams of fat, but think nothing of consuming 400 carbs in the form of bread, pasta, and sugar. I'm advocating an approach based on whole foods, less sugar, carbs only from wholesome sources like oatmeal and whole grains. I'm just…
Many people focus too much on fat. Many others, though, focus too much on carbs. What worries me is seeing a myth spread, the myth that you can eat as much fat as you want as long as you don't eat carbs: That's just not true, and dangerous to tell.
Re: Sweden becomes the first country to reject low-fat diet dogma
#60This article misrepresents the underlying research and seems to invent some facts from whole cloth. > Sweden has become the first Western nation to develop national dietary guidelines that reject the popular low-fat diet dogma in favor of low-carb high-fat nutrition advice. Where is the evidence that Sweden has developed "national dietary guidelines"? All the sources link back to the paper [1][2] entitled "Dietary Tr…
We do know that since the current dietary guidelines with a lot of focus on low fat got introduced there has been an explosion of obesity, diabetes and other food related health issues. Correlation is not causation ...
I hope that http://nusi.org/ is as honest and openminded as they claim to be when it comes to researching what kind of food is the most healthy to eat.
It surprises me that we don't have more solid knowledge in these questions.