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Older versions of IE show a much stronger dropoff in usage over the weekend

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Re: Older versions of IE show a much stronger dropoff in usage over the weekend

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Post by KurtMueller »

awda wrote: post #48
ekidd wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Enterprise also means six-month sales cycles, finding salespeople with good Rolodexes, endless awful meetings needed to sync up five different departments, and a diminished ability to turn technical superiority into paying customers. There's a ton of money there, but you need to build the right organization. Some companies will find it easier to sell to smaller businesses.

Sure -- but if you're happy being an employee, not a founder, the $$$ is great.

You're missing an opening tag.

Re: Older versions of IE show a much stronger dropoff in usage over the weekend

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Post by brazzy »

melling wrote: post #40
davidjgraph wrote: post #15

And from a startup point of view, legacy IE means Enterprises, Enterprise means big price tags: 1) Because they are Enterprises. 2) Because nobody wants to support those browsers. If you think it's a declining market that'll be dead in 18 months, we have contracts to support IE 6 until 2019, not to mention 7 and 8.

What business are you in? If you're going to support IE6 until 2019, which probably runs Javascript 200 times slower than IE10, your software is going to be very limited. Once your competitions builds a better mousetrap, sends in their sales team then explains that all your customers need to do is install Chrome, it might get a little ugly.

> explains that all your customers need to do is install Chrome, it might get a little ugly.

No, since these are his customers exactly because they don't want to install Chrome.

Re: Older versions of IE show a much stronger dropoff in usage over the weekend

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Post by davidjgraph »

melling wrote: post #40
davidjgraph wrote: post #15

And from a startup point of view, legacy IE means Enterprises, Enterprise means big price tags: 1) Because they are Enterprises. 2) Because nobody wants to support those browsers. If you think it's a declining market that'll be dead in 18 months, we have contracts to support IE 6 until 2019, not to mention 7 and 8.

What business are you in? If you're going to support IE6 until 2019, which probably runs Javascript 200 times slower than IE10, your software is going to be very limited. Once your competitions builds a better mousetrap, sends in their sales team then explains that all your customers need to do is install Chrome, it might get a little ugly.

We do a diagramming library. Try http://www.draw.io in IE 6 and 10, I suspect you won't notice the difference.

Fully supporting IE 6 doesn't constrain you at all with the modern browsers, we take full advantage of the recent stuff. We basically have 2 codebases wrapped up behind a single API.

Re: Older versions of IE show a much stronger dropoff in usage over the weekend

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Post by autonomy77 »

jackgavigan wrote: post #23
perpetuated wrote: post #4

As a non-choice user of IE6, I can confirm that this is annoying. Especially when articles about old versions of IE don't render in the browser.

Same in IE7. "Error: 'd3' is undefined"

The irony is heavy, isn't it? :)

Re: Older versions of IE show a much stronger dropoff in usage over the weekend

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Post by davidjgraph »

mgkimsal wrote: post #47
melling wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What business are you in? If you're going to support IE6 until 2019, which probably runs Javascript 200 times slower than IE10, your software is going to be very limited. Once your competitions builds a better mousetrap, sends in their sales team then explains that all your customers need to do is install Chrome, it might get a little ugly.

they might have multiple versions, with modern faster versions and a scaled back IE6/XP version.

It's a myth that IE 6 is devoid of functionality, we have no loss of functionality. The big problem is that it does everything differently and nothing is documented :).

Re: Older versions of IE show a much stronger dropoff in usage over the weekend

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Post by yuhong »

johnny_reilly wrote: post #10

It's been my (unfortunate) experience that most enterprise / corporate environments lock down users machines heavily in the name of security. And with that goes the ability of the user to upgrade their browser. Oftentimes the reason is that there are old internal web applications which don't work in newer versions of IE / look rubbish in newer versions of IE. It's a pain. And it looks like the death of XP won't mean…

And the fun thing is that MS is actually willing to support IE8 on Win7 until Win7 ends support in 2020. For the record, they were willing to support IE 5.01 on Win2000 until 2010!

Re: Older versions of IE show a much stronger dropoff in usage over the weekend

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Post by thecosas »

raverbashing wrote: post #38

It would be so fun if there's some leak mentioning the role of "legacy software" in facilitating information acquisition by government agencies (or other interested parties). Like using LM Hashes for "backwards compatibility" or older, more easily exploitable browsers.

It would be funnier if there was something documenting dropping support for snooping on anything <= IE6 because it had so little reach/useful intel :o)

Re: Older versions of IE show a much stronger dropoff in usage over the weekend

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Post by 127001brewer »

JulianMorrison wrote: post #22
davidjgraph wrote: post #15

And from a startup point of view, legacy IE means Enterprises, Enterprise means big price tags: 1) Because they are Enterprises. 2) Because nobody wants to support those browsers. If you think it's a declining market that'll be dead in 18 months, we have contracts to support IE 6 until 2019, not to mention 7 and 8.

For ultimate job security, write your ActiveX controls in COBOL.

...only if it connects to a Visual FoxPro database.

Re: Older versions of IE show a much stronger dropoff in usage over the weekend

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Post by baconner »

melling wrote: post #40
davidjgraph wrote: post #15

And from a startup point of view, legacy IE means Enterprises, Enterprise means big price tags: 1) Because they are Enterprises. 2) Because nobody wants to support those browsers. If you think it's a declining market that'll be dead in 18 months, we have contracts to support IE 6 until 2019, not to mention 7 and 8.

What business are you in? If you're going to support IE6 until 2019, which probably runs Javascript 200 times slower than IE10, your software is going to be very limited. Once your competitions builds a better mousetrap, sends in their sales team then explains that all your customers need to do is install Chrome, it might get a little ugly.

That's assuming you didn't already tell them about the limitations of the environment they're choosing and explain stuff like ie compatibility modes that can let them move forward but still use all their cruddy old ie6 only enterprise apps, etc. My experience with this is you want them, cut features out if on those old browser versions and periodically remind them that they're holding themselves back. The scenario where they force vendor a to use ie6 and allow vendor b to use chrome IMO doesn't exist if you discuss this stuff up front.

Re: Older versions of IE show a much stronger dropoff in usage over the weekend

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Post by jtbigwoo »

jackgavigan wrote: post #23
perpetuated wrote: post #4

As a non-choice user of IE6, I can confirm that this is annoying. Especially when articles about old versions of IE don't render in the browser.

Same in IE7. "Error: 'd3' is undefined"

Same error in IE8.

IE8 came out in 2009. 4.5 years is not that long in enterprise terms.

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