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Thoughts and Observations on Today’s iPhone 5C and 5S Introduction

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Re: Thoughts and Observations on Today’s iPhone 5C and 5S Introduction

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The 5S camera is killer. f/2.2, apparently a great sensor for the size and 120fps video is more than most pocket cameras offer. Manufacturers of point-of-shoot cameras can pack up and leave if this is a trend.

Err no: http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/coolpix/s/s6500/ 16MP, 12x optical zoom, upto ISO3200, Lens shift VR The only good thing is f/2.2 which the Lumia 1020 has and is a better camera, 32Gb of built in storage (and SD card slot) for £200 GBP LESS than the 5s. Apple are rip off merchants. Sorry.

The Coolpix has its pros, sure. But it has an extraordinary con: it's a second device.

Today the feature of not being a second device outweighs almost any other camera feature.

// I love photography, have top of the line Nikon pro gear, but the iPhone 4S ruined my enjoyment of lugging that gear around. This summer I picked up a Sony RX1 which is an astonishing full frame sensor in an amazingly compact body to solve that, figuring I'd be willing to carry something small, and that, frankly, the cost would compel me. But truth is, with the iPhone 4S, pictures of everyday things are "good enough" that the inconvenience of the second device still has me leaving it at home. Convenience is a compelling feature!

Re: Thoughts and Observations on Today’s iPhone 5C and 5S Introduction

#52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Err no: http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/coolpix/s/s6500/ 16MP, 12x optical zoom, upto ISO3200, Lens shift VR The only good thing is f/2.2 which the Lumia 1020 has and is a better camera, 32Gb of built in storage (and SD card slot) for £200 GBP LESS than the 5s. Apple are rip off merchants. Sorry.

The Coolpix has its pros, sure. But it has an extraordinary con: it's a second device. Today the feature of not being a second device outweighs almost any other camera feature. // I love photography, have top of the line Nikon pro gear, but the iPhone 4S ruined my enjoyment of lugging that gear around. This summer I picked up a Sony RX1 which is an astonishing full frame sensor in an amazingly compact body to solve t…

Today the feature of not being a second device outweighs almost any other camera feature.

Unless your eyes are tuned to look at iPhone snaps or have poo in them, then no. I'll go as far to say that it's crap and a dishonest attempt at calling it a camera.

I'd rather carry a second device around. Here - a quick holiday snap from my Coolpix P330 with NO processing whatsoever: http://i.imgur.com/mtic70l.jpg

Re: Thoughts and Observations on Today’s iPhone 5C and 5S Introduction

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> Take a look at apple.com today and note which new iPhone appears first the 5C, not the 5S. Which phone did they show a commercial for? The 5C. Which one will have a higher profit margin for Apple? The 5C.

perhaps. everyone assumed coming in to today that the "cheaper" version would hurt margins. Granted it was priced above expectations, I'm not sure it will have significantly higher margins.

I think it will have higher relative margins than the 5S but lower absolute margins than the 5S. But that's just a guess.

But what is relatively assured is that it will have substantially higher margins than the equivalent in their old strategy, a price reduced 5.

So it's quite likely that the introduction of the 5C will increase Apple's overall margins rather than decreasing it, as everybody expected.

Re: Thoughts and Observations on Today’s iPhone 5C and 5S Introduction

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My opinion is the exact opposite. I don't think the 5C is an appealing middle tier, I believe it's a dumb middle tier, and maybe intentionally so, to make the premium offering stand out more.

1. If it's intended to be appealing, why call it "5 Cheap"? Okay, Apple didn't call it "5 Cheap", but everyone thinks so, and in marketing, what consumers think is the truth. Additionally, Apple didn't try to correct people when everyone thought it would be cheap. Who is gonna buy a phone that is "cheap" but not cost effective?

2. The 5C isn't that appealing against 5. Yes, a new product is a new prodcut, but a flagship is a flagship. In emerging markets, why do people spend a month's salary for a phone? Because they want to show off to ohters, or at least so that people can't show off to them. Which one do you think have more "show off" power? The previous year's flagship (people don't know when you bought it) that looks identical to this year's flagship, or the "cheap" alternative?

3. The colorful back is suitable for really cheap devices, not seemingly cheap but actually expensive ones. They are liked by young people, mostly students, and new graduates. They don't have much money, and prefer cheaper devices. The 5C isn't cheap. Premium products are never colorful, for a reason.

4. The 5C is a worse product than the 5, technically. It probably has only about 10% larger battery capacity, but is 18% thicker and heavier. I can imagine how many cheap materials are used to make that happen.

5. If you look at the big picture, the trend is smaller and smaller differences between generations of iPhones. And because of the diminishing differences, people are more and more likely to choose an older generation for a cheaper price. According to one source[1], the 4S commanded 90% of all iPhone sales immediately after launch, and almost 75% a year later, before the 5 was launched. The numbers are 70% and 50% for the 5. Unfortunately, the difference between 5S and 5 is far smaller than that between 5 and 4S. Therefore, the appeal of the 5, if it were not discontinued, would only surpass that of the 4S in the past year, and maybe even able to seriously challenge the 5S in sales. The problem of the middle tier is not that it's not appealing, it's maybe that it's too appealing, making the flagship device not able to stand out. Maybe Apple acted this turn not by improving the quality of the flagship (they can't), but by lowering the quality of the middle tier.

6. If the 5C could generate similar earnings per unit as the 5S, why is it bad for Apple if it eats too much into the 5S's market? Because the success of the flagship relates closely to Apple's brand image, and Apple's success is closely tied to its image. People don't care about the middle tier, the success of the flagship is what reflects the company's technical prowess, and this is a battlefield in which Apple can't afford to lose.

I guess the sales numbers will tell who is right:), whether the 5C performs better than the 4S did in the last turn.

[1] http://macdailynews.com/2013/07/22/iphone-5-accounts-for-hal...

Re: Thoughts and Observations on Today’s iPhone 5C and 5S Introduction

#55

The 5S camera is killer. f/2.2, apparently a great sensor for the size and 120fps video is more than most pocket cameras offer. Manufacturers of point-of-shoot cameras can pack up and leave if this is a trend.

The cool thing about that camera is the auto-gelling flash.

It will make auto white balance so much better at its job.

Re: Thoughts and Observations on Today’s iPhone 5C and 5S Introduction

#56

The 5S camera is killer. f/2.2, apparently a great sensor for the size and 120fps video is more than most pocket cameras offer. Manufacturers of point-of-shoot cameras can pack up and leave if this is a trend.

Err no: http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/coolpix/s/s6500/ 16MP, 12x optical zoom, upto ISO3200, Lens shift VR The only good thing is f/2.2 which the Lumia 1020 has and is a better camera, 32Gb of built in storage (and SD card slot) for £200 GBP LESS than the 5s. Apple are rip off merchants. Sorry.

> £200 GBP LESS than the 5s

Yeah, and it's just a camera.

Someone smart once said "the best camera is the one you have with you", which adds immensely to the value of having a good camera on something you carry all day long.

Re: Thoughts and Observations on Today’s iPhone 5C and 5S Introduction

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Coolpix has its pros, sure. But it has an extraordinary con: it's a second device. Today the feature of not being a second device outweighs almost any other camera feature. // I love photography, have top of the line Nikon pro gear, but the iPhone 4S ruined my enjoyment of lugging that gear around. This summer I picked up a Sony RX1 which is an astonishing full frame sensor in an amazingly compact body to solve t…

Today the feature of not being a second device outweighs almost any other camera feature. Unless your eyes are tuned to look at iPhone snaps or have poo in them, then no. I'll go as far to say that it's crap and a dishonest attempt at calling it a camera. I'd rather carry a second device around. Here - a quick holiday snap from my Coolpix P330 with NO processing whatsoever: http://i.imgur.com/mtic70l.jpg

“We are being naïve if we think aesthetics do not play an important role in the way photojournalists tell a story. We are not walking photocopiers. We are storytellers. We observe, we chose moments, we frame little slices of our world with our viewfinders, we even decide how much or how little light will illuminate our subjects, and — yes — we choose what equipment to use. Through all of these decisions, we shape the way a story is told... I could not have taken these photos using my S.L.R. and that perhaps is the most important point to be made about the camera phone in this story... The beauty of a new tool is that it allows you to see and approach your subjects differently. Using this phone brought me into little details that I would have missed otherwise.” -- Damon Winters, pro war photojournalist, on winning third place feature story Pictures of the Year award with photos shot on his iPhone instead of his Canon.

I think its clear the eyes of the judges of the most prestigious photojournalism award are neither "tuned to iPhone photos" nor "have poo in them". Also, I'm not talking about holiday snaps of pine cones. I'm talking about every day life shots or EDLs, Damon's "little slices of our world".

Damon's reaction to the world freak out over photos from an iPhone: http://lens.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/02/11/through-my-eye-not-...

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