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Re: iOS7 is not about flat

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Post by MProgrammer » Wed, Sep 04, 2013, 4:10 PM UTC

potatolicious wrote: post #21

MProgrammer wrote: post #3

Apple’s guidelines have always said that developers should avoid splash screens ‘or other startup experience.’ That's nothing new, but many developers ignore it anyway.

Easier said than done. This is trivial for single-purpose apps like Calculator or Weather, where it's easy to predict what the post-launch UI will look like (hint: there's only one screen...) For much larger apps the "fake screenshot" is harmful. Take the Facebook app for example - what should the "fake screenshot" be? iOS does not differentiate between a completely fresh launch vs. a simple restore from background,…

There may or may not have been an API method in iOS 6 developer previews that allowed the app to provide the system with a new screenshot for resuming from background. That API method may or may not have been removed by the time iOS 6 shipped, and may or may not be back in iOS 7.

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As for slow app startups, Apple hates that too. It's fine to show a loading screen, if there is loading to be done. Showing marketing videos and other bullshit? No. Not fine.

Re: iOS7 is not about flat

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Post by nsxwolf » Wed, Sep 04, 2013, 4:10 PM UTC

untog wrote: post #30

uptown wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe stop worrying what "everyone" is saying, and form your own thoughts about things?

I wasn't particularly worried about it. More noting the usual pattern of " is wrong until Apple does it". Background apps, flat design...

is wrong until Apple does it correctly.

Re: iOS7 is not about flat

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Post by glasshead969 » Wed, Sep 04, 2013, 4:13 PM UTC

untog wrote: post #24

joshdance wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's the thing. It will be in the background. You won't even notice.

But we've been told for years that Android is fundamentally broken because it allows this. I guess everyone changed their mind?

iOS still doesn't allow apps to run in background as they wish. OS decides when to wake up an app and how long based on usage patterns. Also OS gives user capability to disable specific apps from ever using this system and also turn it off system wide.

I don't think they changed their mind, they made it less restrictive probably because newer processors can complete tasks faster and go to sleep faster which preserves battery life.

Re: iOS7 is not about flat

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Post by nsxwolf » Wed, Sep 04, 2013, 4:13 PM UTC

leokun wrote: post #41

It's funny how all these things that have been in Android forever and were criticized for their battery draining powers are suddenly the latest and greatest reason why Apple phones are the best. It's just the way it goes, remember 7 inch tablets? Worst thing ever and everyone lists reasons why. Until Apple made one. Marketshare means everything! Until Android stole that, now market share is a false signal. King of pr…

Apple did not make a 7 inch tablet.

Re: iOS7 is not about flat

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Post by jeffasinger » Wed, Sep 04, 2013, 4:13 PM UTC

MichaelGG wrote: post #20

Forgive my complete ignorance on the topic: Can't you just push down the information the customer needs? I get that it might be more difficult to use the push API but could an app theoretically have achieved the same experience via push? Also, I'm not quite sure API enhancements are what a release is "about". Admitting that the crazy 3D designs were over the top and adopting a design similar to Metro and Android Holo…

Along with what everyone else has said about size limitations, before iOS7, every push notification resulted in a notification on the top screen, and your app would not run until the user clicked the notification.

Re: iOS7 is not about flat

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Post by runjake » Wed, Sep 04, 2013, 4:16 PM UTC

techtalsky wrote: post #2

Sounds like another way for apps to drain my precious battery life.

You'll be able to configure it both globally or by individual app. The settings are in Settings->General->Background App Refresh on iOS 7.

Re: iOS7 is not about flat

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Post by 013 » Wed, Sep 04, 2013, 4:19 PM UTC

njs12345 wrote: post #14

janjongboom wrote: post #11

Firefox OS already uses the same model, push notifications will fire up the application, the application can then decide to create a notification, to update the internal cache to reflect the latest changes; it's called the Simple Push API[1]. It can also wake up the application every X minutes to pull the data (Alarms API[2]) and do the same thing. [1] https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/WebAPI/Simple_Push [2] h…

The model is fairly similiar on Android too, for what it's worth.

This seems like something Apple would want to patent. I wouldn't be surprised if we saw some new Apple Vs. Android, Apple Vs. Mozilla lawsuit about "background fetching".

Re: iOS7 is not about flat

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Post by microtonal » Wed, Sep 04, 2013, 4:20 PM UTC

pat2man wrote: post #50

xutopia wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You forget a few things. On Android can't the app just run forever and decide on its own how often to poll the servers? This is a different thing. The OS decides when to schedule things if the app supports it. Also battery life has improved a great deal since the first Android or iPhone device came out. What may have been true years ago isn't necessarily an issue anymore.

iOS will actually disable these features if the battery is getting low. It will also group them together so that the wireless chips are on as briefly as possible.

iOS will actually disable these features if the battery is getting low.

Like Battery Saver?

http://www.windowsphone.com/en-us/how-to/wp8/basics/battery-...

Re: iOS7 is not about flat

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Post by freehunter » Wed, Sep 04, 2013, 4:21 PM UTC

leokun wrote: post #41

It's funny how all these things that have been in Android forever and were criticized for their battery draining powers are suddenly the latest and greatest reason why Apple phones are the best. It's just the way it goes, remember 7 inch tablets? Worst thing ever and everyone lists reasons why. Until Apple made one. Marketshare means everything! Until Android stole that, now market share is a false signal. King of pr…

What's really funny is how right you are, and all the comments made in response to you are proving that the reality distortion field is still in effect post-Jobs. When a competitor does it and Apple says they won't, it's the worst thing in the world. Once the competitor proves its worth and Apple does it, it's now the best thing ever (see xutopia). If you're right but with one hint of an arguable point, there's always some detail that means you're wrong and Apple is right (see simonh and nsxwolf). And if you're indisputably right, you're a fanboy whiner (see epo).

No one can possibly imagine that there could be an alternative (but still correct) choice if that wasn't the choice they themselves made.

Re: iOS7 is not about flat

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Post by Zariel » Wed, Sep 04, 2013, 4:22 PM UTC

nsxwolf wrote: post #54

leokun wrote: post #41

It's funny how all these things that have been in Android forever and were criticized for their battery draining powers are suddenly the latest and greatest reason why Apple phones are the best. It's just the way it goes, remember 7 inch tablets? Worst thing ever and everyone lists reasons why. Until Apple made one. Marketshare means everything! Until Android stole that, now market share is a false signal. King of pr…

Apple did not make a 7 inch tablet.

What do you call the iPad mini? ciel(7.9) inch tablet?