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Insightful. However, since we live in such hyper-partisan times where news outlets toe the political line and play to the cheap seats, this story will never be picked up by the national media. I'd be astounded if (or especially) a Krystal Ball or Tamron Hall or Chris Matthews gave this even a passing glance or the sundry treatment in one of their segments. Why? Because this is Northern California. Scratch that. This…

Is this really insightful or is this another case of "correlation not implying causation"? Have you paused to consider the geography of these cities, their respectful populations, commute profiles or other socio-economic data? Of course not - you're a busy person just like all of us and we all rely on others to provide digestible, bite-size chunks of information arranged "just so" to help us come to the same conclusi…

All the statistics gleaned from incarceration surveys and law enforcement records cannot indubitably frame a police department for clear racism.

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Conversely, all the statistics gleaned from incarceration surveys and law enforcement records cannot indubitably absolve a police department of clear racism.

It's just the nature of the beast.

Even if you were to be able to prove it, there will always be concern-trolls who argue,quite convincingly, that preventing police departments from aggressively enforcing the law (even with provisions such as Stop and Frisk in NYC) is in itself an injustice to the poor and vulnerable (many of whom might in fact be of the inflicted race, themselves).

Eg:

Barney Frank argues in favor of more policing of black neighborhoods as not doing so would be a disservice to the law abiding (black) residents who are also themselves victims of crime albeit from gang members who might be black,themselves. So STOP and FRISK is in essence justified, one could imply from Frank's rationale. This from an openly gay and progressive Democrat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tW3xFGeGIWk&t=2m12s

General perception has always been the scale used to judge whether a party is at the receiving end of overt or covert racism.

Statistics have always been a sideshow. A sweetener, if you will, to seal the argument but not the primary means of smelling that something's awry in the way people are treated.

Whether it is community policing or non-discriminatory housing.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/12/business/economy/discrimin...

Justice Potter Stewart's thumb rule for ascertaining whether something fits the definition of hardcore pornography applies here: "I know it when I see it."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_know_it_when_I_see_it

Whether Atherton is the most fitting poster child for the kind of limousine liberalism that I described, is another matter altogether.

I wouldn't be one bit surprised if this happened in any of the most educated and virulently liberal nooks of the country.

The fact is it does exist and yes it is a thing.

It has been called the "Oh, don't give me any of that racist crap! My Husband and I gave money to Colin Powell!" strain of racism.

To remove the last remnants of niggling doubt from those who genuinely suspect that such a pattern of behavior actually exists among the most gifted, accomplished and refined, while wealthy, members of our society, I give you this memorable exchange from the movie Cruel Intentions:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bb2XlqE9OUg

This has always been there and given the current mores of our society, is likely to persist unless we shed our partisan coats and overhaul our approaches to solving societal problems in a wholesale way.

Re: Profiling Atherton

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

if you * really * don't wan't neighbors they should move to woodside or portola valley where lot sizes are even bigger. :p

It's kinda interesting to me to see what Californians consider a big lot. I grew up in the Northeast suburbs of Boston, and my parents owned an acre lot. I went to school in central Massachusetts, and many of my friends lived on 5-10 acre properties. When I moved out to California, it was really depressing to see the rows and rows of townhomes on postage-stamp lots. A family friend would show me around Cupertino, whe…

> When I moved out to California, it was really depressing to see the rows and rows of townhomes on postage-stamp lots.

Never move to the UK

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My [non-Hispanic] girlfriend lives in Atherton. Hispanics run that city. At first I thought it was great for my taco habit, but after our second or third burrito date I quickly realized the locals were not as thrilled to have us. We were glared at often, and my rusty Spanish was good enough to pick up murmurs of "puta madre" and other various obscenities as we walked by. Needless to say, she's moving up to the City s…

Where do you buy tacos in Atherton? And $1 tacos at that?

Really Redwood City: http://www.emeraldlake.com/tacos/

EDIT (and environs):

"Although there are excellent tacos to be had all over Redwood City, any first-time pilgrim should focus on "Little Michoacan," the unofficial appellation for all the neighborhoods bounded by Highway 101, El Camino Real, Woodside Road and Willow Road. (It includes the North Fair Oaks neighborhood that lies just outside Redwood City proper.) The area is home to thousands of families with ties to the Mexican state of Michoacan. Thus, the roster of taquerias and other businesses along Middlefield Road reads like a roadmap of the Mexican state's municipalities -- Morelia, Uruapan, Arteaga, Apatzingan."

Re: Profiling Atherton

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm assuming lots of people get pulled over for various infractions, and the Hispanics among them are the ~only ones who are unlicensed and are thus the ~only ones cited for being unlicensed. Other citation types appear less biased (I just scanned, I didn't do actual analysis, I'm trying to finish my RSA 2014 submissions right now). There may be profiling in pulling over "old/cheap" cars more for the same violations,…

Are Hispanic people unlicensed at such a high rate relative to the general population that it would fit this data? Also, > I don't think most police would let anyone have a pass on unlicensed/suspended is a direct contradiction to: > Even if someone were unlicensed and caught, if you didn't have the cause to stop him for something else, he'd walk on the unlicensed driver charge. Which you posted above. [edited to fix…

It's a "all squares are rectangles, but all rectangles are not squares".

Hispanics are statistically far more likely to be illegals and thus unlicensed or uninsured. The problem is, most people of hispanics are 100% legal. Some have ancestors that have been in California since before it was a US territory.

Re: Profiling Atherton

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The author is cherry picking his data. He has a pool of 12,500 tickets, and is looking at a very narrow type of infraction that affected 182 drivers of 12,500. In that small pool, why do hispanic names show up disproportionately? Maybe they are more likely than your typical Atherton resident to not have a license due to immigration status.

This. He is ignoring the rest of the data and looking only at "vehicle code violations" - and then irresponsibly reporting it to seem like Hispanics driving without licenses is a disproportionally large drain on police resources when in fact, as you say, this is only a narrow violation comprising a small minority of total tickets issued.

Sorry, that was poorly worded. Will fix, thanks!

What's shown on the report is every single traffic ticket, not just a small selection.

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It seems pretty natural that if the serious penalties are for being unlicensed drivers (14602.6 VC, the $1800 thing), and most of the unlicensed people have Hispanic names/are Hispanic (which I think is generally true, in California), most of the people who get serious penalties for being unlicensed drivers will be Hispanic. There's no particular racism there on the part of the Atherton police in that. You have to ha…

Woodside certainly isn't a consolation prize. It's beautiful, and features the stunning Skyline Blvd drive and Alice's Restaurant!

not sure if i should upvote the alice's reference. I love it place but those roads are crowded enough around there. too many cagers to enjoy the twisting roads already :(

Re: Profiling Atherton

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I got pulled over in Atherton. I was driving a filthy 15 year old Toyota I'd bought for $800. The cop said he'd only pulled me over because "dirty cars are often stolen." I didn't get a ticket since I hadn't done anything wrong, but I really don't think he had reasonable suspicion for that stop. I'm not Hispanic, but he was basically profiling me for driving a poor person's car.

Re: Profiling Atherton

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I think you have incomplete data and your conclusions are, therefore, suspect.

To illustrate my point, you have no data points for infraction offenses (speeding, equipment violations, etc). Your data is only for misdemeanor licensing violations.

Given that one can't obtain a California license without a valid social security number, doesn't it make sense that the large Hispanic undocumented population would be well represented for these violations?

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If you are an undocumented immigrant, you might not have a valid driver's license, and you might have to leave your car at the site or have it impounded. Some towns in the Peninsula don't allow traffic cops to ask for immigration papers or mix up their jobs with Federal immigration laws, - I don't know about Atherton. But if you're stopped and you don't have a license, the police can ask you to leave your car by the road, and you walk home. I teach ESL, and many of my students have had to walk away from their cars. If the police do impound the car, the owners often don't have money or are afraid to go get them, so they lose their car. This happens all the time, and often causes big logistical and financial problems for the families.
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