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Re: Tor use is now forbidden on Kimsufi's OVH

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Post by mike-cardwell »

D9u wrote: post #36
Karunamon wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Operating as an exit node exposes you to a great deal of legal issues, if not liability. Not to mention annoyance for the user... there will be sites you can't access since many sites block exit node IPs outright because of abuse. If some random does something illegal and they happen to be using your node, guess who gets the knock on the door? With that in mind, what user would want to operate an exit node?

what user would want to operate an exit node? I'm thinking that malicious individuals would run Tor exit nodes in order to sniff traffic.

They can, and they do. Which is why you need to use encryption as well as Tor if you want to something private. But that's the case without Tor anyway.

Re: Tor use is now forbidden on Kimsufi's OVH

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Post by norswap »

GuiA wrote: post #41
norswap wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

French is my mother tongue, and I think it sounds alright. It's everyday speech though, not something you'd write in a press statement.

Fellow Frenchie here- it does look like it was written by a high schooler rather than a CEO- awkward phrasing ("dans le cas de la pedo", wtf?!?), conjugation mistake ("liées"), use of "on va" instead of "nous allons" in a formal written statement...

Seems commonplace in the French IT sphere. On the new "42" school forums, the mods are downright trolling.

Re: Tor use is now forbidden on Kimsufi's OVH

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Post by anonymous »

valinor4 wrote: post #17
gallypette wrote: post #6

"Pour des raisons de sécurité, l’ensemble des services IRC (à titre non-exhaustif : bots, proxy, bouncer, etc.), services de navigation anonyme (généralement appelés proxy), nœuds TOR, ne sont pas autorisés sur le réseau OVH sauf autorisation écrite d’OVH. OVH se réserve le droit de suspendre tout serveur sur lequel ces éléments seraient utilisés sans autorisation préalable d’OVH." It looks like anything looking like…

Proxies were already forbidden since 2010 (I think).

I hope you mean open proxies, because even ssh allows you to establish a (for you only) socks 5 proxy.

Re: Tor use is now forbidden on Kimsufi's OVH

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Post by rogerbinns »

jeremysmyth wrote: post #38

Tor can be used for good and for bad. It's the very same problem that Cory Doctorow talks about in his lectures about the War on General Purpose Computing, and it's not an easy problem to solve. I'm an admin on a social/gaming site (a MUD with appendant forum, blogs, and other community elements), and we have had to make a few decisions about Tor in the last couple of years. Some background: the site is quite old, an…

> We have a number of banning mechanisms ..

Did you try the other approach taken by many sites of making their posts/activity hidden from others? Initially they can't tell the difference between being ignored and being hidden. It also has the advantage that if they were incorrectly hidden you can turn it off and their activity is still present.

Re: Tor use is now forbidden on Kimsufi's OVH

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Post by jeremysmyth »

rogerbinns wrote: post #54
jeremysmyth wrote: post #38

Tor can be used for good and for bad. It's the very same problem that Cory Doctorow talks about in his lectures about the War on General Purpose Computing, and it's not an easy problem to solve. I'm an admin on a social/gaming site (a MUD with appendant forum, blogs, and other community elements), and we have had to make a few decisions about Tor in the last couple of years. Some background: the site is quite old, an…

> We have a number of banning mechanisms .. Did you try the other approach taken by many sites of making their posts/activity hidden from others? Initially they can't tell the difference between being ignored and being hidden. It also has the advantage that if they were incorrectly hidden you can turn it off and their activity is still present.

We did this for social contact (channels, forums, and other forms of communication) for a while, but because it's a MUD, it's a shared world with persistent effects, so it's impractical to make all activity invisible. Blocking social communication just resulted in other forms of griefing as a result. Griefers gonna grief.

Re: Tor use is now forbidden on Kimsufi's OVH

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Post by Nux »

pestaa wrote: post #24
Nux wrote: post #13

Makes sense. Tor's nature (and its many dodgy uses) will eventually lead to its demise, alas.

I did not downvote but instead invite you to elaborate. Why will Tor cause its own demise?

Tor's cause is a noble one, but I fear it will end up (if it hasn't already) being used mostly by bad people for bad things.

Once you get your home or server IPs connected to black market forums, drugs, human trafficking or kiddie porn sites and your life (and your family's) has suddenly become more complicated, I wonder how many will still be eager to run Tor exit nodes? Maybe a few dreamers and anarchists.

Tor exits will be shut down one by one, either by the owners or by the police/state.

What we need to come up with is a fully encrypted, anonymous, self-contained super-internet of something like Tor "hidden services" only.

Re: Tor use is now forbidden on Kimsufi's OVH

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Post by whatusername »

jeremysmyth wrote: post #55
rogerbinns wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We have a number of banning mechanisms .. Did you try the other approach taken by many sites of making their posts/activity hidden from others? Initially they can't tell the difference between being ignored and being hidden. It also has the advantage that if they were incorrectly hidden you can turn it off and their activity is still present.

We did this for social contact (channels, forums, and other forms of communication) for a while, but because it's a MUD, it's a shared world with persistent effects, so it's impractical to make all activity invisible. Blocking social communication just resulted in other forms of griefing as a result. Griefers gonna grief.

Could you spin up a griefer instance of the MUD?

So all they interact with (and can disturb the world of) is other griefers?

Re: Tor use is now forbidden on Kimsufi's OVH

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Post by UVB-76 »

kristofferR wrote: post #37
PaperclipTaken wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OVH is still the cheapest host I've ever seen. 1 TB disk space, 100mbps connection speed, 5TB bandwidth, all for $20/mo? I'm not complaining, nor have I seen better.

Their support is totally abhorrent though, be prepared waiting days/weeks instead of minutes/hours for any support at all, they abruptly change your TOS and server specs without telling you, cancel you order for no reason without telling you or even refunding you etc. They're totally horrible to deal with, unless you make minimum wage you're probably going to spend more on packets of Tylenol due to all the headaches…

Indeed. I ordered a Kimsufi server five days ago with a guideline setup time of 24 hours. Placed the order, made payment, no doubt I'm already paying for the service, but five days later, I'm still awaiting setup.

Their ordering process is painful. Their online management interface is atrocious. Communication is poor.

It's true what they say about paying peanuts...

Re: Tor use is now forbidden on Kimsufi's OVH

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Post by [deleted] »

supergirl wrote: post #46
pyre wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you provide access to the website as a Tor hidden service, do you get some sort of unique ID for the computer connecting that can be banned? I don't know much about the Tor protocol, but if you're on the receiving end of packets that need a response, you need a way to address them back.

Doesn't matter if his website is a hidden service or not. The communication between the website and the user is done through Tor relays, which are shared. There cannot be any unique ID tied to the user because that would break anonymity.

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Re: Tor use is now forbidden on Kimsufi's OVH

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Post by nly »

hackerboos wrote: post #21
rst wrote: post #7

The relevant French: "depuis quelques mois, nous avons eu plusieurs affaires juridiques lié à l'utilisation de plusieurs réseaux TOR dans le cas de la pedo et on va désormais l'interdire au même titre que tous les systèmes d'anonymisation." My (amateur) translation, cleaning up Google translate (which doesn't recognize Tor as a proper name): "For several months, we've had many legal matters related to the use of TOR…

Just don't use Tor as an exit node with OVH.

It's not just exit nodes that you are forbidden from running. It seems any participation in the Tor network is banned, whether it be a relay, or a personal bridge in to the network.
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