Hyperloop lets you travel on a resonant acoustic wave?
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#55For someone who has taken nothing more than undergraduate physics as a requirement for my degree, can someone explain the benefits/risks of using an acoustic wave system over others? Has anyone previously looked at this sort of system for travel? If the wave were to be disrupted and these capsules come to a screeching halt, how fast of a deceleration are we talking about? Never more have I wanted to crack open my phy…
This depends entirely on the drag coefficient of the train car. If the engines on a supersonic jet cut off, it's essentially a rock traveling at the speed of sound through still air. I don't believe the acceleration is cataclysmic for the occupants (although probably jolting). Remember also that normal commercial gets travel at like 80% of the speed of sound, and they can easily handle a loss of engine power. (Althou…
It's never that bad in practice.
There are much more exciting problems with losing an engine revolving around loss of control.
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#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not so, I felt it with my own gut! Another difference is in Charles' model you would have to travel at the speed of sound. Due to the shape not being a perfect line airflow will have to be supersonic somewhere over the surface of the craft. That's generally not good for energy efficient travel. My "design" allows for the capsule traveling at subsonic speeds.
I suspect that design by gut is not necessarily a reliable approach to this.
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#57http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Launch_loop
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_fountain
You could buy a kids toy circa 2005 implementing a model of the design using what looks like a shoelace and a blacklight. My kids thought it was pretty cool.
So, take a magnetically controllable loop, like a wagon wheel tire. It'll collapse under its own weight it stood up. Turns out if you spin a rope ridiculously fast it inevitably turns into a circle and can support well over its own weight. Basically you build a linear induction motor to get dragged along and remove the clamps at the appropriate time. Think of how you can ride upside down in a roller coaster as long as you exceed critical speed (too slow and you fall out, whoops)
Compared to a space elevator its well within modern current day tech to build one. I donno if its economically within modern day ability.
Three major problems, if that dude splits at the wrong time its an unholy mess as it augers in, and there's something of a dynamic stability puzzle to stabilize movement and temperature, and finally you need a plan of sorts if the clamp or whatever you call it sticks and hauls the first stage back for another go of it.
One optional problem is to build a loop that stores energy by spinning a bit fast, faster than a vehicle re-entering for a second loop can handle nose first. That makes the "stuck clamp" hollywood disaster even worse. Of course a smart engineer would never do that... would they?
There's a fixation on SSTO, of course. However, aside from economic issues, you can make a real loop thats as worthless as you want, and any delta-v it gives for free to a launch vehicle is a net win. So make a "mere" 10 mile diameter one that only replaces the first stage of a launcher, thats cool. How about reducing the mass fraction for a "SSTO" from 95% to maybe 50%? That would still be cool, even if its not "SSTO".
If you can't mentally handle this rotating stuff, think of it like a really long aircraft carrier catapult... so long it can loop back on itself no problemo. And think of cablecars, although it'll probably be magnetic not literally clamping onto a cable, although that would be a charming steampunk aesthetic.
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#58"Elon Musks final invention will be a time machine. It will only work once before exploding. Before entering it, Elon will turn around and tell us he has done his duty and given us many gifts, and now we must use those gifts to advance mankind. He hopes great things for us. We beg for him to stay and aid us further. He smiles sadly, He looks at us with his tired but happy eyes, shakes his head, and steps into the mac…
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Yeah, where did you get those numbers? The distance from SF to LA is about 380 miles, and the speed of sound is about 760 mph. Whether or not the principles of sound movement are involved in Musk's plan, the speed is roughly equivalent if we're talking traveling back and forth in half an hour. Still a jolt, but you're talking about six times that.
Either way, pretty much any accident will result in everyone's death. Car accidents at 50 MPH result in 80% death. 760 MPH is much much much more, considering the amount of energy needed to be dispersed grows quadratically (E = 0.5 * m * v^2)
Actual stats from Great Britain in 2008 on motorways, presumably always speed limit above 50 MPH, "6% of the total killed, 3% of total seriously injured, 5% of total with slight injuries." at least per wikipedia.
So there's about a 9 in 10 chance if you crash on a GB motorway, at least in 2008, you'll walk away without a scratch, rather than your 1 in 5 stat.
Also all minor aircraft accidents involve flying faster than 50 MPH although death from anything but fire is relatively rare. True though, that controlled flight into terrain at cruise speed doesn't usually leave many large pieces on the mountainside.
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I suspect that design by gut is not necessarily a reliable approach to this.
Yea? Why do you think so? Did you look it up in a book? You should have felt it, with your gut! [1] 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBRKPoAPXEQ