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Every Entrepreneur Should Try Magic Mushrooms

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Re: Every Entrepreneur Should Try Magic Mushrooms

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post #29

As a young 20-ish who've never partaken in any kind of drugs. Does anyone have a NEGATIVE story to share? Not the type of "he got addicted and ruined his life" but "hallucinations after all are just hallucinations, and the profound effects are fake etc."

I didn't find them very profound, just hallucinations shake up your brain pathways like a snowglobe and you consider things you wouldn't have before that seemed impossible. It also gives you new insight into "reality" and how your brain is largely interpreting everything uniquely and you can't always trust your own sight.

Those people who saw the light or aliens/ghosts probably haven't done LSD or they'd realize not to trust anything their brain interprets without sober analysis. "Holy shit, that prophet ghost was a pretty sweet hallucination" instead of writing a book about it and creating a religion.

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#52

Before people run out and do this, anyone know of any negative side effects? I'm a bit prone to anxiety and my only experience with a drug everyone said was harmless (prescription pot) was terrifying.

One thing that could help with anxiety is starting with very low doses. It's possible to take so little that there are no obvious effects. This is called a "sub-threshold" dose, and is also known as a "microdose".

It's still possible for the substance to have some subtle, interesting effects at these doses. Things such as an increased creative ability, enhanced energy, and insight. Some people take microdoses of psychedelics to improve their problem-solving abilities. At these doses, your anxiety should be much lower than if you took a regular (nevermind a mindblowing) dose outright.

After a number of such microdose trips, it's possible to slowly increase the dosage. Hopefully, as you do this, you'll become more familiar with the territory and know what to expect, and there will be less fear of the unknown and of the novel effects you will likely experience.

That said, there can be some negative effects -- particularly nausea. Also, it's dangerous to pick wild mushrooms, which can be poisonous if a mistake in identification is made. There's a saying in the mycology community: There are old mushroom hunters, and there are bold mushroom hunters. But there are no old, bold mushroom hunters.

Ideally, you'd only partake of mushrooms under the guidance of an experienced mycologist (and after having done a lot of research yourself about proper mushroom identification).

Unfortunately, an experienced mycologist is not always available, and the mushrooms available on the black market are often dried, crumbled, and in a state that's virtually impossible to identify anyway. The potency and even the active ingredient in such samples is very questionable. They could easily be laced with LSD or some other drug and you may be none the wiser.

Some people advocate only ever taking synthetic compounds like LSD, which are at least less likely to be counterfeit when taken as blotter or microdots (because they are so small that no other drug would be potent enough to do anything at that dosage). However, some newer designer drugs are almost as potent as LSD, and are potentially more toxic. So it's not clear what should be recommended, if one is concerned about side-effects, identity of the compound, or toxicity. Perhaps growing or synthesizing one's own would then be the safest route. But, of course, depending on the laws in your jurisdiction and depending on your skills, these options may come with their own risks.

Re: Every Entrepreneur Should Try Magic Mushrooms

#53
post #29

As a young 20-ish who've never partaken in any kind of drugs. Does anyone have a NEGATIVE story to share? Not the type of "he got addicted and ruined his life" but "hallucinations after all are just hallucinations, and the profound effects are fake etc."

You can read a lot of different stories about it on Erowid. Anyway a lot of people treat mushrooms as a party drug, so I assume those people don't consider themselves to have had profound visions.

There does seem to be a subculture of people who take the visions way too seriously. They believe it's giving knowledge of an external reality. I think it's a little bit like a reset button - your beliefs and thinking patterns are disrupted, particularly the ones which you don't normally question. This may happen consciously (as it did with the OP) but I suspect a lot of it is unconscious.

I've done it just a handful of times. The most profound experience was negative-positive. I didn't take proper precautions, and I have a tendency to negative thoughts which was highly accentuated by the experience. Think terror worse than any horror movie for several hours (although with some nice parts too). But confronting your demons, literally, has its advantages. Actually more than anything else it's pushed me to try to take control of those negative thoughts.

EDIT: FYI there is no such thing as getting physically addicted to magic mushrooms. Quite the opposite, there are regular reports of people kicking addictions as a result.

Re: Every Entrepreneur Should Try Magic Mushrooms

#55

You can get really sick from shrooms if you're allergic/take too much or the person you bought them off doesn't know what they're doing and is selling you bunk/poison shrooms. Small amount of LSD will acheive the same thing, plus no sickness :P

You should make sure though that you're actually getting LSD. There's certain knockoff substances that might be sold as LSD, like DOC, 2C-I, and DOB.

Re: Every Entrepreneur Should Try Magic Mushrooms

#56
post #11

This sounds like the author took a low to moderate dose of mushrooms. It's possible to have much more profound experiences (both positive and negative) than what was described in this article. I can recommend a book called "The Varieties of Psychedelic Experience" for a more comprehensive look at some of the possibilities. Also, see the trip reports on erowid.org. Psychedelics may be best for people who are naturally…

Larry Hagman has a good story about how LSD changed his life when he was 35 and helped him get off booze/cigarettes. His therapist recommended it too

http://www.maps.org/news-letters/v13n1/13125hag.html

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#57
post #4

So were the notes worth anything? What I always wonder about these types of experiences is whether the drug really does give you great insights, or it just tricks you into the feeling that you're having great insights.

"So were the notes worth anything?"

You mean were the worth anything when considered from the perspective of the ordinary state of consciousness?

Clearly in one particular altered state of consciousness they were considered worth something.

So the question becomes which state of consciousness trumps which other state of consciousness? Or which one gets to decide what's worthy and what's not?

Often, people who see themselves as "hard headed realists" think it's obvious that the sober, oridinary state of consciousness is the one and only legitimate state of consciousness, and the rest are mere delusions, and not worthy of being trusted or relied upon for important decisions and the business of life.

On the other hand, there are people who think that while in an altered state of consciousness, they can see through the bullshit of consensus reality and the ordinary state of consciousness. To them, it is the ordinary state of consciousness that is deluded, or even pathological or psychotic.

Which one is right? And how are the products of and insights from these various states of consciousness to be judged? Can an insight gained in state of consciousness X be legitimately evaluated in state of consciousness Y? Do such evaluations even make sense?

I'm not sure there are any easy answers to these questions.

Re: Every Entrepreneur Should Try Magic Mushrooms

#58

Before people run out and do this, anyone know of any negative side effects? I'm a bit prone to anxiety and my only experience with a drug everyone said was harmless (prescription pot) was terrifying.

I heard of people going psychotic; just as pot can trigger anxiety, it seems to hallucinogens may trigger bigger breakdowns.

Unfortunately, we can't really measure the incidence or tell what these effects are because the drugs are illegal - so we don't know how many people used them or what exactly they consumed.

Maybe a lower risk path is starting with yoga and meditation (and stop immediately if it appears you are experiencing a psychotic episode; avoid teachers that think this isn't possible).

Re: Every Entrepreneur Should Try Magic Mushrooms

#59
OP is ~23 at the time and that seems like a very natural age for that experiment.

One of the most interesting things about reading Robert Anton Wilson's more autobiographical stuff (Cosmic Trigger? Prometheus Rising?) is that when he talks about doing LSD for the first time with Leary and co, all these guys were in their 30s!! I can't imagine how shocking it would be to have gotten that far in your life, believing and committing to the perceptions you've had, only to have them ripped apart by those megadoses (by today's standards) of LSD.

I think that is also why they made such good use of the experiences. Having more life experience, they might have been even more appreciative of the new insight.

http://www.amazon.com/Prometheus-Rising-Robert-Anton-Wilson/...

Re: Every Entrepreneur Should Try Magic Mushrooms

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post #57
post #4

So were the notes worth anything? What I always wonder about these types of experiences is whether the drug really does give you great insights, or it just tricks you into the feeling that you're having great insights.

"So were the notes worth anything?" You mean were the worth anything when considered from the perspective of the ordinary state of consciousness? Clearly in one particular altered state of consciousness they were considered worth something. So the question becomes which state of consciousness trumps which other state of consciousness? Or which one gets to decide what's worthy and what's not? Often, people who see the…

Just to play devil's advocate here, I can claim that our ordinary state of consciousness is the most legitimate one (the one that is closest to reality, if there is such thing as objective reality), or at the very least the most useful one - otherwise we would have evolved for the different state of consciousness. The burden of proof would be on you to justify that the altered state of consciousness is indeed more in line with reality.

Of course, this comes with the premise that consciousness is a necessity. And indeed, our needs nowadays might require a different state of consciousness, now that the very basic survival needs are generally fulfilled.

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