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UK Porn Filter Will Censor Other Content Too, ISPs Reveal

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Re: UK Porn Filter Will Censor Other Content Too, ISPs Reveal

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Post by smegel »

InclinedPlane wrote: post #23

This deserves a lot more of a response but for now I'll just leave this: Liberty is about the ability of the individual to do things that others disapprove of. You don't need liberty if everyone else approves of your actions. As a corollary, the exercise of liberty does not require a justification, because it's a liberty, practicality or "usefulness" or what-have-you play no part in it. It's onerous to require someon…

And some Americans dismiss their constitution as out of date. It seems more relevant than ever.

Re: UK Porn Filter Will Censor Other Content Too, ISPs Reveal

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Post by mortenjorck »

samstave wrote: post #38
adrow wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you could call this one the China Firewall of Great Britain.

B.ritish O.nline L.imiting L.ude O.bjectionable C.ontent S.ystem: B.O.L.L.O.C.S

That's... actually pretty good.

Re: UK Porn Filter Will Censor Other Content Too, ISPs Reveal

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Post by w_t_payne »

Let's see which way the wind is blowing .... hmmm... I sense an opportunity for profit!

I think that I will create a business to develop technology that lets us block undesirable thoughts. We will use an EEG cap as the sensor, some machine learning to detect undesirable thoughts, then a bone-conduction speaker to play distracting and disorienting sounds whenever our detector is triggered.

Perfect.

Do you think I could get some government funding for this?

Re: UK Porn Filter Will Censor Other Content Too, ISPs Reveal

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Post by oggy »

DanBC wrote: post #44
InclinedPlane wrote: post #23

This deserves a lot more of a response but for now I'll just leave this: Liberty is about the ability of the individual to do things that others disapprove of. You don't need liberty if everyone else approves of your actions. As a corollary, the exercise of liberty does not require a justification, because it's a liberty, practicality or "usefulness" or what-have-you play no part in it. It's onerous to require someon…

> People often dismiss out of hand the notion that tyranny could possibly take hold over the first world democracies of the west in the 21st century. And to that I can only sigh. Perhaps it will not be known as tyranny, perhaps someone will come up with a different, more apt name once, if, we are in the clutches of it, but it will be every bit as bad and every bit as difficult to throw off, if not more so. Jesus fuck…

The GP did not say we're living in a dictatorship right now, merely that such a possibility in the future should not be dismissed out of hand.

Oh and by the way, you are familiar with the fact that the American government has murdered its own citizens, and that a hundred of them have been detained (and I suppose it's safe to assume, tortured) in Guantanamo? Yes, I know they are most likely not random innocent people.

Re: UK Porn Filter Will Censor Other Content Too, ISPs Reveal

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Post by e40 »

DanBC wrote: post #44
InclinedPlane wrote: post #23

This deserves a lot more of a response but for now I'll just leave this: Liberty is about the ability of the individual to do things that others disapprove of. You don't need liberty if everyone else approves of your actions. As a corollary, the exercise of liberty does not require a justification, because it's a liberty, practicality or "usefulness" or what-have-you play no part in it. It's onerous to require someon…

> People often dismiss out of hand the notion that tyranny could possibly take hold over the first world democracies of the west in the 21st century. And to that I can only sigh. Perhaps it will not be known as tyranny, perhaps someone will come up with a different, more apt name once, if, we are in the clutches of it, but it will be every bit as bad and every bit as difficult to throw off, if not more so. Jesus fuck…

A voluntary filter is not tyranny and it's fucking disgusting to compare optional filtering of semi-random webcontent with governments who murder and torture their citizens.

You are the one that made the equivalence, not the person to which you replied. Nice straw man.

This UK porn filter is a step on a path. Yes, that current position is not tyranny, but it's a step on the path to it. Frogs can't be dropped into boiling water, but you can turn up the heat a little bit at a time until they boil. That's what's happening in the US and UK right now. The end result will be tyranny, and it will end with murder and torture of citizens.

Btw, in the US, we've already started murdering our citizens[1].

1. http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2011/09/obama-assassin...

EDIT: remove "Boiled" before frogs to clarify my intent. Thanks coldcode.

Re: UK Porn Filter Will Censor Other Content Too, ISPs Reveal

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Post by ripter »

mixmax wrote: post #16
dcc1 wrote: post #10

Us hackers need to make a new "web" a web where censorship is not possible and everything is encrypted, a "web" with no single points of failure, a "web" where domains cant snatched or censored, a "web" like the web used to be :(

It's already there, developed by the US military no less. It's called Tor. If the installing and usability was improved it might catch on for normal people concerned about their privacy.

the problem with Tor is that it's slooooooooooow.

Re: UK Porn Filter Will Censor Other Content Too, ISPs Reveal

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Post by tomjen3 »

sneak wrote: post #31
Fuxy wrote: post #19

There's no feasible way of blocking circumvention tools without causing massive collateral damage. If they block SSH tunnels for instance no sysadmin will be able to do their job. Same for VPN. A lot of people work remotely. I will laugh my ass off if they try to do that. At the same time I won't be able to access my VPS anymore :(

If you restrict unfiltered access to the web to only those who know how to ssh, your hopes for a free society are doomed.

If the ability to use ssh stands between horny teenage boys and lots of pictures of naked ladies, the boys will be profficient in ssh in no time.
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