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Re: Obama Promises Disappear from Web

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Post by mortehu »

Demiurge wrote: post #48
mortehu wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the ouch? > Barack Obama will strengthen whistleblower laws 2012: President Signs Whistleblower Protection Enhancement Act[1] > Obama will ensure that federal agencies expedite the process for reviewing whistleblower claims and whistleblowers have full access to courts and due process. 2013: Whistleblower Edward Snowden is charged by federal prosecutors[2] Has something happened to Snowden that I'm not aware o…

Has Obama even called Snowden a whistle-blower? He called him a hacker, and his tone of voice has always been dismissive and implying treason.

If I'm not mistaken, he was responding to the question of whether he would put pressure on China to extradite Snowden, and he basically said that he wouldn't scramble jets or start wheeling and dealing for a single case of a 29-year-old hacker suspect.

Reading this in the context of what his actual powers and responsibilities are in this case, it seems to me like he was diminishing the crime, rather than rallying for a witch-hunt.

Re: Obama Promises Disappear from Web

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Post by MDCore »

fear91 wrote: post #19
Buzaga wrote: post #2

~Protect Whistleblowers: Often the best source of information about waste, fraud, and abuse in government is an existing government employee committed to public integrity and willing to speak out. Such acts of courage and patriotism, which can sometimes save lives and often save taxpayer dollars, should be encouraged rather than stifled. We need to empower federal employees as watchdogs of wrongdoing and partners in…

A classic psychopathic behaviour. Blind your victim with carefully spun web of lies. Distort the reality and then when the time comes, abuse them. Psychopaths are so good at lying that they self-deceive themselves. They believe their own lies. That's why it's so easy to fall for what they say. They always fly to the top - be it at corporations, governments, crime organizations. The more psychopathic they are, the hig…

Would you mind providing some citations for your idea that Psychopaths self-deceive? From what I've read the better Psychopaths are masterfully in control of their web of lies, that it's easy to believe what they say because they don't suffer the remorse of neuro-normals. And that it's more likely for the neuro-normal person who lies compulsively to believe their lies.

I really don't think it's helpful to classify Obama's behaviour as psychopathic. It demonises him instead of taking a practical, accurate look at his behaviour. It seems as useful calling someone "evil" or "a nazi".

Re: Obama Promises Disappear from Web

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Post by adventured »

mortehu wrote: post #32
Buzaga wrote: post #2

~Protect Whistleblowers: Often the best source of information about waste, fraud, and abuse in government is an existing government employee committed to public integrity and willing to speak out. Such acts of courage and patriotism, which can sometimes save lives and often save taxpayer dollars, should be encouraged rather than stifled. We need to empower federal employees as watchdogs of wrongdoing and partners in…

What's the ouch? > Barack Obama will strengthen whistleblower laws 2012: President Signs Whistleblower Protection Enhancement Act[1] > Obama will ensure that federal agencies expedite the process for reviewing whistleblower claims and whistleblowers have full access to courts and due process. 2013: Whistleblower Edward Snowden is charged by federal prosecutors[2] Has something happened to Snowden that I'm not aware o…

The ouch is that the Obama Administration has been hyper aggressive in attacking whistle blowers and leaks of all kinds.

"The Obama administration has already charged more people — six — under the Espionage Act for alleged mishandling of classified information than all past presidencies combined. (Prior to Obama, there were only three such cases in American history.)"

http://www.salon.com/2012/02/09/obamas_unprecedented_war_on_...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/16/obama-whistleblower...

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Post by jussij »

rtpg wrote: post #50
jussij wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> not because there was some imminent threat to his life. Treason does actually carry the potential of a death penalty. Based on poor state of the current US legal system, I too would have run. The last decade has seen the US legal system turned into nothing but a rubber stamp and puppet for the government. The founding fathers would be turning in their graves.

He isn't going to be charged with treason.

Ok, let’s say they charged him with of "aiding the enemy". That also carries the death penalty.

Who knows what kind of trumped up charges the government where planning to throw at him.

But there's no way he'd be getting a fair trial, so why on earth would he be offering himself up for trial.

Re: Obama Promises Disappear from Web

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Post by iwwr »

pvnick wrote: post #40

I see this as largely coincidental, and nothing nefarious. If you follow the link from the page to the archived version [1], look among the dozens of subjects, click on Ethics, scroll down to near the bottom of the page, you'll see the single paragraph he's referring to. It makes up for about 0.1% of the total content. It's unlikely the administration took down an entire website just to hide Obama's whistleblower pro…

Indeed, we should not think of 2007-Obama, 2008-Obama and 2012-Obama as the same people. What one said can't be held against the other.

Re: Obama Promises Disappear from Web

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Post by lukifer »

true_religion wrote: post #14
konklone wrote: post #9

This is a simple discovery, but an important one. Change.gov was the President's official transition website, and included a vision for his presidency. It's a central piece of the historical record of the US, and they yanked it from the Internet. It doesn't matter whether or not the Administration was trying to remove something specific: taking down the content at Change.gov is un-American and un-Internet.

I'm curious. What's un-American about it? I can see the whole "un-internet" aspect, becuase after all "cool urls don't change", but un-American?

In theory, the shared narrative of America is rooted in Enlightenment values, including a respect for reason, education and history. The lack of a proactive attempt to preserve that history, let alone to erase it intentionally, goes against the principles of the Age of Reason.

In practice, obviously, this story is at best an ideal we strive for, and that we only achieve partially or intermittently.

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Post by pizza »

fear91 wrote: post #19
Buzaga wrote: post #2

~Protect Whistleblowers: Often the best source of information about waste, fraud, and abuse in government is an existing government employee committed to public integrity and willing to speak out. Such acts of courage and patriotism, which can sometimes save lives and often save taxpayer dollars, should be encouraged rather than stifled. We need to empower federal employees as watchdogs of wrongdoing and partners in…

A classic psychopathic behaviour. Blind your victim with carefully spun web of lies. Distort the reality and then when the time comes, abuse them. Psychopaths are so good at lying that they self-deceive themselves. They believe their own lies. That's why it's so easy to fall for what they say. They always fly to the top - be it at corporations, governments, crime organizations. The more psychopathic they are, the hig…

Oh look, a comment that can see through the lies we've been fed, and shows us the malice of those who are 'above' us! And no citations or examples, to boot!
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