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David Cameron cracks down on online pornography

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Re: David Cameron cracks down on online pornography

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Post by carb »

Sven7 wrote: post #41
conroy wrote: post #12

> Every household in Britain connected to the internet will be obliged to declare whether they want to maintain access to online pornography These declarations will only be used to shame public figures once the list is leaked. > The possession of "extreme pornography", which includes scenes of simulated rape, is to be outlawed. Video footage of two consenting adults, acting out a scene, will be illegal to own. With t…

I think they have taken a good step in the right direction. Kids are exposed to too much crap these days. Kids growing up with involved parents and teachers turn out alright, but there are a whole lot of kids who aren't that lucky.

That's not a government issue. You're welcome to control your own children's internet use, but it is not your right to control how any other family deals with these situations.

Edit: You're free to cite examples of children who "aren't that lucky" and had their upbringing maliciously altered by viewing internet pornography.

Re: David Cameron cracks down on online pornography

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Post by nitrogen »

Sven7 wrote: post #41
conroy wrote: post #12

> Every household in Britain connected to the internet will be obliged to declare whether they want to maintain access to online pornography These declarations will only be used to shame public figures once the list is leaked. > The possession of "extreme pornography", which includes scenes of simulated rape, is to be outlawed. Video footage of two consenting adults, acting out a scene, will be illegal to own. With t…

I think they have taken a good step in the right direction. Kids are exposed to too much crap these days. Kids growing up with involved parents and teachers turn out alright, but there are a whole lot of kids who aren't that lucky.

If governments want to protect poorly parented kids from obscenity (which is not an ignoble cause in itself), there are ways of doing it without building lists of everyone who wants uncrippled access to the Internet.

Re: David Cameron cracks down on online pornography

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Post by conroy »

Sven7 wrote: post #41
conroy wrote: post #12

> Every household in Britain connected to the internet will be obliged to declare whether they want to maintain access to online pornography These declarations will only be used to shame public figures once the list is leaked. > The possession of "extreme pornography", which includes scenes of simulated rape, is to be outlawed. Video footage of two consenting adults, acting out a scene, will be illegal to own. With t…

I think they have taken a good step in the right direction. Kids are exposed to too much crap these days. Kids growing up with involved parents and teachers turn out alright, but there are a whole lot of kids who aren't that lucky.

These laws will not help. Outlawing content will not make it suddenly disappear, it will just be a bit harder to find. Any attempt to filter content will be circumvented. Australia's attempt failed miserably back in 2007[1]. I agree that children are exposed to too much "crap" today, but using children as an excuse to censor material is a political move.

[1]: http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2007/08/australian_por...

Re: David Cameron cracks down on online pornography

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Post by droopyEyelids »

conroy wrote: post #12

> Every household in Britain connected to the internet will be obliged to declare whether they want to maintain access to online pornography These declarations will only be used to shame public figures once the list is leaked. > The possession of "extreme pornography", which includes scenes of simulated rape, is to be outlawed. Video footage of two consenting adults, acting out a scene, will be illegal to own. With t…

I wish he would have at least nodded his head to the idea that creating censorship infrastructure today, even for the right reasons, might lead to problems tomorrow. Also I wish whatever reporter wrote the story had asked his take on that.

Re: David Cameron cracks down on online pornography

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Post by MarcScott »

rodgerd wrote: post #37
cskau wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> > The possession of "extreme pornography", which includes scenes of simulated rape, is to be outlawed. > Video footage of two consenting adults, acting out a scene, will be illegal to own. With this on the books, it seems a short hop to outlaw videos of simulated murder. Even without such an extension, aren't there plenty of Hollywood movies which include "scenes of simulated rape"?

I can't speak to Hollywood, but this presumably means it will be illegal to watch "Irreversable" online. Still, it's a handy way to tar anyone complaining about online survellience as a rape-loving pedophile.

I'll have to dig out and destroy my copy of Death Wish.

Re: David Cameron cracks down on online pornography

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Post by brokenparser »

jamesaguilar wrote: post #30
conroy wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In one study surveying 471 Dutch teens ages 13 to 18, the researchers found that the more often young people sought out online porn, the more likely they were to have a "recreational" attitude toward sex--specifically, to view sex as a purely physical function like eating or drinking. > [T]he team also found a relationship between porn use and the feeling that it wasn't necessary to have affection for people to hav…

Also, I know it's outside the scope of this research, but it's yet to be demonstrated that a recreational attitude toward sex leads to lower well-being.

Don't know why this was downvoted, I couldn't have put my thoughts into better words than this. But to to the narrow-minded, let me put it another way: We have contraceptives, we can have sex whenever we damn choose to, with whoever we fancy.

Re: David Cameron cracks down on online pornography

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Post by zensavona »

Sven7 wrote: post #41
conroy wrote: post #12

> Every household in Britain connected to the internet will be obliged to declare whether they want to maintain access to online pornography These declarations will only be used to shame public figures once the list is leaked. > The possession of "extreme pornography", which includes scenes of simulated rape, is to be outlawed. Video footage of two consenting adults, acting out a scene, will be illegal to own. With t…

I think they have taken a good step in the right direction. Kids are exposed to too much crap these days. Kids growing up with involved parents and teachers turn out alright, but there are a whole lot of kids who aren't that lucky.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Think_of_the_children

Re: David Cameron cracks down on online pornography

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Post by bulatb »

Sven7 wrote: post #47
adamnemecek wrote: post #13

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Think_of_the_children can't believe that people still fall for this shtick

Do you have kids?

Having kids is no excuse to let your brain check out when someone tells you they're in vague, amorphous danger. When those kids grow up, they'll be inheriting a world where civil liberties can be (and have been) eroded by cynical lawmakers playing on their parents' fears of children seeing things that they consider inappropriate.
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