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Radiohead's Thom Yorke and Nigel Godrich Are Removing Their Music from Spotify

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Re: Radiohead's Thom Yorke and Nigel Godrich Are Removing Their Music from Spotify

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Post by glogla »

noonespecial wrote: post #44
forrestthewoods wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

$10/month for infinite access to all music ever created just isn't reasonable. And the ad revenue from a majority free user base for infinite access to all music ever created is definitely unreasonable. It's hard to argue with th connivence factor. However right now Spotify is destroying an existing model, not paying artists, and losing money hand over fist. It's lose/lose/lose. I'd rather consumers just pirate the m…

But its not $10 for all music ever created any more than its $15 for all the food on the buffet at Golden Corral. Its all you can eat , not all the food. There's only so much music that can stream through one set of speakers in a month. Blind Pilot was half the OP's playlist. They'd get $5. How many artists would kill to get $5/month from their fans? The real problem is that Blind Pilot might have gotten a whole penn…

I'd imagine you could create some "fair" kind of Spotify clone where half the money go to artists and half the money go to the service. The streaming know what music it plays, so it would be easy to bill. It just need someone to do that, and I'm not sure the general public cares about fairness.

Re: Radiohead's Thom Yorke and Nigel Godrich Are Removing Their Music from Spotify

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Post by balbaugh »

moomin wrote: post #36

Could someone throw up a pie chart showing exactly how much of your $10 actually goes to an artist? I'm guessing you're going to need to make it pretty large for it to be even visible. Good on them.

List of links to data on payouts and more:

http://musically.com/2013/02/13/streaming-music-screwing-art...

(has info from artists, labels, economists, more.)

Re: Radiohead's Thom Yorke and Nigel Godrich Are Removing Their Music from Spotify

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Post by egbert »

morphyn wrote: post #50
egbert wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I created something like that: http://musiclove.rs You hook up your last.fm profile and each week you get to divide an x amount of money between the artists you listened to. I've been using it myself for about a year now. The only catch is that you need to find the email addresses of artists you want to pay to yourself, so they can be paid with PayPal. This 'catch' allowed me to use it as single user for a year thoug…

Awesome! A gittip.com for music. This "only catch" seems like a big one though. I guess it will get better when/if the user base grows significantly.

Thanks!

I know. But I couldn't think of another way to start small.

If usage grows hopefully artists will actively promote their desired 'fund receiving' email address.

The next step would of course be that artists can signup and the whole email address finding step would be dropped

Re: Radiohead's Thom Yorke and Nigel Godrich Are Removing Their Music from Spotify

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Post by aapl »

jmduke wrote: post #3

For reference: Radiohead's pay-what-you-want model for In Rainbows was the first of its kind, and groundbreaking. It's entirely possible this starts a trend. On the other end: I don't like the idea of new artists not getting paid (I try to go out of my way and buy tickets for indie musicians I like or, failing that, purchase swag), but as a consumer I like Spotify a lot. It's also hard for me to conflate the ideas th…

This is essentially how Magnatune works. You pay $15 per month, can download and stream any amount of music from the Magnatune catalog and 50% of your monthly fee gets paid to artists in proportion to how much of their music you downloaded and streamed.

Re: Radiohead's Thom Yorke and Nigel Godrich Are Removing Their Music from Spotify

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Post by egbert »

noonespecial wrote: post #46
egbert wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I created something like that: http://musiclove.rs You hook up your last.fm profile and each week you get to divide an x amount of money between the artists you listened to. I've been using it myself for about a year now. The only catch is that you need to find the email addresses of artists you want to pay to yourself, so they can be paid with PayPal. This 'catch' allowed me to use it as single user for a year thoug…

And this is why I love HN. I just came to the conclusion that I really should think about doing something like this and pondering if there was a way I could automate it as I wrote my comment(1). And here it is. Awesome. (1) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6044279

Thanks! Would be great if you'd try the app for a while. Let me know what you think!

Re: Radiohead's Thom Yorke and Nigel Godrich Are Removing Their Music from Spotify

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Post by morphyn »

egbert wrote: post #53
morphyn wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Awesome! A gittip.com for music. This "only catch" seems like a big one though. I guess it will get better when/if the user base grows significantly.

Thanks! I know. But I couldn't think of another way to start small. If usage grows hopefully artists will actively promote their desired 'fund receiving' email address. The next step would of course be that artists can signup and the whole email address finding step would be dropped

Did you take a look at the way gittip does this ? You basically donate to a twitter handle and its owner can 'claim' the account whenever they want. No money is actually transferred until the account is claimed. I don't know if it can be applied to artists/bands though.

I was also wondering: is there no transfer fees with paypal ? Don't they make small amounts transfer useless ?

And one last thing: is it not weird for bands/artists to suddenly receive money from people without being informed about the site and all that ?

Re: Radiohead's Thom Yorke and Nigel Godrich Are Removing Their Music from Spotify

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Post by anigbrowl »

balbaugh wrote: post #2

This is only for Thom Yorke solo tunes, Atoms for Peace music from Thom and Nigel, and Nigel's side project Ultraista. The two make the argument that new music is hurt in the Spotify revenue equation. With the large stake of Spotify that is owned by the Majors and other large corporate entities such as Coca-Cola, it would be interesting if the 'independent labels' were to come out with some sort of streaming service…

This is only for Thom Yorke solo tunes, Atoms for Peace music from Thom and Nigel, and Nigel's side project Ultraista. The two make the argument that new music is hurt in the Spotify revenue equation.

Dear Thom,

I wish you had thought about this after you got very rich but before you decided that that made it a good idea of give away music for free. When lack of access to a reliable revenue model makes it difficult for build an audience for your own projects, the problem is primarily one of low return on your artistic endeavor.

But for those who don't happen to be associated with an existing success such as Radiohead, that low return often means no prospect of making money at all. Whereas you can have the guitar amp of your choice or feel sure of an audience when you announce a gig, the lack of a revenue model for new music means many will never taste the leverage that you enjoy, with corresponding limitations on their musical development.

This isn't all your fault, of course. But it might be good if you could devote some of your energy to finding a model that works for people without name recognition, eg by relying on your great musical talent but operating under a pseudonym while you search for new ways to sell it.

Re: Radiohead's Thom Yorke and Nigel Godrich Are Removing Their Music from Spotify

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Post by egbert »

morphyn wrote: post #56
egbert wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks! I know. But I couldn't think of another way to start small. If usage grows hopefully artists will actively promote their desired 'fund receiving' email address. The next step would of course be that artists can signup and the whole email address finding step would be dropped

Did you take a look at the way gittip does this ? You basically donate to a twitter handle and its owner can 'claim' the account whenever they want. No money is actually transferred until the account is claimed. I don't know if it can be applied to artists/bands though. I was also wondering: is there no transfer fees with paypal ? Don't they make small amounts transfer useless ? And one last thing: is it not weird fo…

Good points!

'the way gittip does this': I naively assumed Gittip was sitting on the money until it was claimed, but charging the moment its claimed is probably better. I'll have to look into it!

'transfer fees with paypal': Yes and yes. I'm currently spending about 8-10 dollars a week divided over 5 artists. So the slice Paypal gets is significant but bearable. This of course isn't ideal and I've been thinking about other ways of doing this. Bitcoin maybe?

'receive money (...) without being informed': I've got this covered! When an artist receives money they also receive an email explaining why they receive it and how many times the listener played their songs.

Re: Radiohead's Thom Yorke and Nigel Godrich Are Removing Their Music from Spotify

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Post by lukifer »

gamble wrote: post #24
stdbrouw wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then how unreasonable is $0/month for radio? I'm happy there's people who can look at services like Spotify and Rdio critically, but I don't think appeals to intuition like "that can't be right?!" help us much.

Because radio is not a substitute for recorded music. The inability to choose what you're listening to was always the stick that compelled listeners to purchase a recording. If you have Spotify, there is no reason to ever purchase that music in a download store.

Fast, reliable, and unmetered wireless is by no means ubiquitous. There is still the benefit of being able to play offline, burn to CD for the car, share with friends, etc.

Admittedly, the incentive to want offline music may continue to diminish over time.

Re: Radiohead's Thom Yorke and Nigel Godrich Are Removing Their Music from Spotify

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Post by anigbrowl »

icebraining wrote: post #43
liveinoakland wrote: post #29

i'm an avid spotify user (~4+ hours a day) and honestly have no idea how this is a sustainable business. how much are the 20+ artists a day that I listen to making from my $10 a month? genuinely don't understand how this is working. there are so many artists that come out with new albums that I would buy except for the fact that I can get them free on spotify. It's saving me probably 100-200/year and that's being con…

Pirating music from a Jay-Z app seems much much harder than from a desktop. There are already dozens of torrents with thousands of peers on The Pirate Bay. It doesn't really matter how hard it is, as long as a single individual can do it. I think we're on the verge of a total shift back to the world of pre-CD burners where you simply had to pay 10-20 to listen to an album. Before CD burners we had tapes. The logo of…

Before CD burners we had tapes.

...which were subject to generation loss. You had an incentive to buy albums you liked, because taping involved a loss of quality.

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