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FBI Document: [DELETED] had "plan to kill local Occupy leaders via sniper fire"

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Re: FBI Document: [DELETED] had "plan to kill local Occupy leaders via sniper fire"

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Post by fusiongyro »

untog wrote: post #45
cjambassador318 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well that definitely justifies upvoting a speculative conspiracy theory to the front page of Hacker News. Given that the US is literally Nazi Germany, it's 100% believable that the FBI would murder protesters. I wish the sheeple could see the US for what it really is: literally Nazi Germany. People like us here on HN and reddit understand what's really going on, unlike the sheeple.

I'm assuming that the people downvoting this need a "woosh". At least, I hope so.

How many times do you explain and retell a joke before it stops being funny?

Re: FBI Document: [DELETED] had "plan to kill local Occupy leaders via sniper fire"

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Post by saraid216 »

Gigablah wrote: post #48
saraid216 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm wondering why there haven't beeny any arrests yet. Because making such a plan is protected by the First Amendment. Carrying it out is not.

Yeah, tell that to Justin Carter.

I'd rather tell that to his prosecutors, but if you want me to further his depression and risk another suicide by telling him his Constitutional rights were violated, then hey, that's your prerogative.

I won't, though, because I'm not that much of a dick. And I'd rather allow the First Amendment Center do the talking for me, since I'm not a trained lawyer.

Re: FBI Document: [DELETED] had "plan to kill local Occupy leaders via sniper fire"

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Post by zanny »

grey-area wrote: post #31

It's hard to know what to make of this as without the [DELETED] portions, as there's no evidence of government agencies being involved. I'm not sure why Occupy were not informed of such a plot though? Perhaps the FBI didn't think it was credible? The part that worries me even more than the death threats was the classification of the Occupy movement as 'terrorist activity'. This opens them up to a whole catalogue of s…

Terrorist is todays communist, or yesteryears fascist, eugenicist, jap, negro, etc. Blanket arbitrary term to apply to dissenters you want to control and treat inhumanely, and society doesn't judge you for it because they are the "enemy" or "other". It incites an emotional response in people that let those holding the pen get away with way more than they should.

Re: FBI Document: [DELETED] had "plan to kill local Occupy leaders via sniper fire"

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Post by anigbrowl »

grey-area wrote: post #31

It's hard to know what to make of this as without the [DELETED] portions, as there's no evidence of government agencies being involved. I'm not sure why Occupy were not informed of such a plot though? Perhaps the FBI didn't think it was credible? The part that worries me even more than the death threats was the classification of the Occupy movement as 'terrorist activity'. This opens them up to a whole catalogue of s…

The most likely candidate to me seems some fringe right-wing types flapping their mouths in an internet forum. I've heard plenty of people at that end of the spectrum averring that the Occupy movement was some sort of Marxist 5th column under orders from Obama, or variants on that theme. Right-wing fringe thinkers like to fantasize about putting their guns to patriotic use in much the same way that leftist fringe thinkers like to fantasize about general strikes and establishment of a dictatorship of the proletariat.

My guess is that the FBI was monitoring the person(s) floating these ideas but didn't consider them a credible threat.

Re: FBI Document: [DELETED] had "plan to kill local Occupy leaders via sniper fire"

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Post by de_dave »

tlrobinson wrote: post #22

The question is who is [DELETED] and what would their motive be? Killing Occupy "leaders" seems like the absolute worst way to make the Occupy problem go away. Can you even imagine the outrage? The only way it could possibly be successful is by making it clear that if you protest you will be killed, and I like to think we're still pretty damn far from complete totalitarianism.

As always, it would come down to marketing. The secret would be to ensure that the sniper(s) appear to be lone wolves, rather than law enforcement agents. Any protests or occupations could then reasonably be split up on "safety" grounds, and at the same time the Occupy leaders would have to stay out of the public limelight for their own "safety".

Re: FBI Document: [DELETED] had "plan to kill local Occupy leaders via sniper fire"

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Post by nnq »

cjambassador318 wrote: post #25
gasull wrote: post #12

I've done some research before upvoting this. I thought whowhatwhy.com would be some kind of conspiracy site, but they just do investigative journalism. They are usually featured in Salon.com. http://www.salon.com/topic/whowhatwhy/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russ_Baker Also, it's known that the FBI coordinated the crackdown on Occupy: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/dec/29/fbi-coor...

Well that definitely justifies upvoting a speculative conspiracy theory to the front page of Hacker News. Given that the US is literally Nazi Germany, it's 100% believable that the FBI would murder protesters. I wish the sheeple could see the US for what it really is: literally Nazi Germany. People like us here on HN and reddit understand what's really going on, unlike the sheeple.

    0. throwaway HN id
    1. unwarranted extreme historical references
    2. use of the word "sheeple" on a superior tone referencing the HN and reddit crowds as some kind of "elite" that knows better than the other sheeple
I'd say "gg, man!", but I don't fully get what's your game. But I'll upvote you just for good humor :)

Re: FBI Document: [DELETED] had "plan to kill local Occupy leaders via sniper fire"

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Post by iSnow »

tlrobinson wrote: post #22

The question is who is [DELETED] and what would their motive be? Killing Occupy "leaders" seems like the absolute worst way to make the Occupy problem go away. Can you even imagine the outrage? The only way it could possibly be successful is by making it clear that if you protest you will be killed, and I like to think we're still pretty damn far from complete totalitarianism.

Well I am more concerned about other aspects of this plot than its chances of reaching its goal.

Re: FBI Document: [DELETED] had "plan to kill local Occupy leaders via sniper fire"

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Post by iSnow »

bayesianhorse wrote: post #23
lifeguard wrote: post #18

Totally integrated corporate-state repression of dissent http://s3.amazonaws.com/dk-production/images/14030/large/Occ...

To my knowledge, actions against occupy-movements in the US generally didn't involve "repression of dissent" but rather "repression of wild camping where it is extremely inconvenient for everyone else". Not everything they did was totally appropriate, but on the other hand it's really hard to dissolve such a camp without anyone getting hurt. The US certainly handled that better than Turkey.

>The US certainly handled that better than Turkey.

How standards have eroded. Next time, we'll cling to "the US does better than Egypt"

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