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U.S. charges Edward Snowden with espionage

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Re: U.S. charges Edward Snowden with espionage

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I think we have to march on this one and be loud. For San Francisco, we should show up in force somewhere - is Tuesday too soon to plan something - say show up in force at Union Square at 8pm?

The problem with marching in SF is nobody takes marches on SF seriously -- something is being protested daily.

It's been years since I've bothered to listen to the chants or read the banners of (insert protest group) when the march down Market Street. For SF it's just part of the scenery for me.

Re: U.S. charges Edward Snowden with espionage

#52
post #42

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Why? I doubt Snowden expected anything different.

Greenwald/The Guardian won't release it out of fear of being brought up on similar charges. I don't know why they haven't released it already, unless it's just more of the same sort of vaguely incriminating powerpoint presentations.

News cycle. If they release too early, it just fatigues everyone and makes them get bored of the issue. I'm guessing that Greenwald is sitting on many of the documents and waiting for people to forget about Snowden, and then he'll release another one to keep the issue (and The Guardian) in the news. He maximizes both the political impact and the eyeballs going to his employer in this way.

Re: U.S. charges Edward Snowden with espionage

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post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? I doubt Snowden expected anything different.

Greenwald/The Guardian won't release it out of fear of being brought up on similar charges. I don't know why they haven't released it already, unless it's just more of the same sort of vaguely incriminating powerpoint presentations.

That won't stop Greenwald. And if you haven't noticed, they already have released even more incriminating documents, including a signed order from the Attorney General authorizing multiple exemptions to the ban on collecting and viewing data from U.S. citizens.

Re: U.S. charges Edward Snowden with espionage

#54
Why is he being charged in the Eastern District of Virginia when the alleged crime was perpetrated in Hawaii? Shouldn't any prosecution be under the original jurisdiction of the District of Hawaii/9th Circuit?

    Amendment VI

    In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy 
    and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein 
    the crime shall have been committed[...]

Re: U.S. charges Edward Snowden with espionage

#55
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post #18

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Can you imagine a jury of 12 all believing that what he did was not in the interests of his country?

Yes. Have you not been to America?

When Clinton was President, yes. I guess times may have changed.

Re: U.S. charges Edward Snowden with espionage

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post #27

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I actually don't think charging him is inherently bad. If he in fact took 4 government property laptops with him, that's a crime, at the very least. Ideally, pre-trial investigation and a trial would be fair way to find facts. It's entirely possible minor crimes (violating classified NDA, taking laptops, etc.) would be non-conviction based on other information, but on its face, I don't really have a problem with init…

It's kind of hard to be a whistleblower without breaking some sort of secrecy law.

There actually are whistleblower protections he could have taken advantage of... but it would have meant working within the system (for example, taking his concerns to Congress or the NSA's Inspector General rather than a reporter) and it only applies if he uncovered fraud or illegal activity. AFAIK there isn't any proof that he uncovered anything illegal.

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Odd: I looked at the page an it said 7023 signatures required. Refreshed it to see if there was any delta and now it says 7041 signatures required. So 18 signatures have disappeared?

Don't worry, the NSA will take care of everything! They wouldn't remove signatures from a petition they disagree with just because they can.

Are you really implying the NSA is trying to sabotage a WhiteHouse.gov petition?

Re: U.S. charges Edward Snowden with espionage

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So now is the time to identify the federal prosecutors who filed this and petition the government to have them fired. In addition, of course, to asking for a complete pardon for Snowden. It also should be noted that any of the Congressional investigations into this mess are perfectly capable of giving Snowden a grant of immunity from prosecution. People ask what to do. There are at least two avenues open to nip this…

I actually don't think charging him is inherently bad. If he in fact took 4 government property laptops with him, that's a crime, at the very least. Ideally, pre-trial investigation and a trial would be fair way to find facts. It's entirely possible minor crimes (violating classified NDA, taking laptops, etc.) would be non-conviction based on other information, but on its face, I don't really have a problem with init…

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