I think we have to march on this one and be loud. For San Francisco, we should show up in force somewhere - is Tuesday too soon to plan something - say show up in force at Union Square at 8pm?
The problem with marching in SF is nobody takes marches on SF seriously -- something is being protested daily.
U.S. charges Edward Snowden with espionage
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Why? I doubt Snowden expected anything different.
Greenwald/The Guardian won't release it out of fear of being brought up on similar charges. I don't know why they haven't released it already, unless it's just more of the same sort of vaguely incriminating powerpoint presentations.
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#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why? I doubt Snowden expected anything different.
Greenwald/The Guardian won't release it out of fear of being brought up on similar charges. I don't know why they haven't released it already, unless it's just more of the same sort of vaguely incriminating powerpoint presentations.
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#54 Amendment VI
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy
and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein
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#56Question is, how will HK, or even China for that matter, respond?
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#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
I actually don't think charging him is inherently bad. If he in fact took 4 government property laptops with him, that's a crime, at the very least. Ideally, pre-trial investigation and a trial would be fair way to find facts. It's entirely possible minor crimes (violating classified NDA, taking laptops, etc.) would be non-conviction based on other information, but on its face, I don't really have a problem with init…
It's kind of hard to be a whistleblower without breaking some sort of secrecy law.
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Odd: I looked at the page an it said 7023 signatures required. Refreshed it to see if there was any delta and now it says 7041 signatures required. So 18 signatures have disappeared?
Don't worry, the NSA will take care of everything! They wouldn't remove signatures from a petition they disagree with just because they can.
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#60So now is the time to identify the federal prosecutors who filed this and petition the government to have them fired. In addition, of course, to asking for a complete pardon for Snowden. It also should be noted that any of the Congressional investigations into this mess are perfectly capable of giving Snowden a grant of immunity from prosecution. People ask what to do. There are at least two avenues open to nip this…
I actually don't think charging him is inherently bad. If he in fact took 4 government property laptops with him, that's a crime, at the very least. Ideally, pre-trial investigation and a trial would be fair way to find facts. It's entirely possible minor crimes (violating classified NDA, taking laptops, etc.) would be non-conviction based on other information, but on its face, I don't really have a problem with init…