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Re: Yandex Mail

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Post by jbattle »

CapitalistCartr wrote: post #42
gyardley wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Use the information against your own country and the people in it, which likely includes the people you're closest to? Since you're not a citizen of that country, use the information in your email in far less scrupulous ways? Perhaps they could blackmail you into being a foreign intelligence asset. Perhaps a corrupt employee could slip your information to a criminal organization who will then steal your identity. All…

Seriously? Whatever you do for a living, it ain't what most of us do. The fact is, almost all of us ARE boring to foreign governments. Almost all foreign governments WILL treat our correspondences better because of this. If I were designing fighter jets, it'd be different, but I'm making luxury yachts. Russia doesn't care. In fact, a few rich Russians own some of our boats.

unless you make a yacht for someone the russians would like to track or listen in on

Re: Yandex Mail

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Post by ivan_gammel »

GabrielF00 wrote: post #33
alan_cx wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, at least they got and only got the target. Drone strikes seem to regularly take out many innocents. Or are no A-Rabs innocent?

Seriously? Are you completely unfamiliar with the conflict in Chechnya and the surrounding regions? From Wikipedia's article on the Second Chechen War: > According to the 2001 annual report by Amnesty International: >> There were frequent reports that Russian forces indiscriminately bombed and shelled civilian areas. Chechen civilians, including medical personnel, continued to be the target of military attacks by Rus…

This is not precise comparison. The Russian military actions in Chechnya are quite similiar to the ISAF actions in Afghanistan, including bombings of civilians and refusals for journalists (http://www.stripes.com/news/files-prove-pentagon-is-profilin...) This is the face of modern warfare, not security operations.

Better comparison to drone attacks on terrorists is killing of Dzhokhar Dudaev by laser-guided missiles in 1996 and, possibly, killing of Shamil Basayev in 2006. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dzhokhar_Dudayev#Death_and_leg... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shamil_Basayev#Death

Re: Yandex Mail

#53

Post by anonymous »

jbattle wrote: post #51
CapitalistCartr wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seriously? Whatever you do for a living, it ain't what most of us do. The fact is, almost all of us ARE boring to foreign governments. Almost all foreign governments WILL treat our correspondences better because of this. If I were designing fighter jets, it'd be different, but I'm making luxury yachts. Russia doesn't care. In fact, a few rich Russians own some of our boats.

unless you make a yacht for someone the russians would like to track or listen in on

I'd be much more comfortable having the Russian mafia targeting me than I'd be with the NSA spying on me. You can pay the mafia.

Re: Yandex Mail

#54

Post by api »

Actually you laugh, but being spied on by someone with no jurisdiction over you is better than being spied on by someone who can name you an enemy combatant because they misunderstand your e-mails that contain a plot synopsis for a book you're working on or that can label you a child pornographer because you have naked photos of your grandkids playing in your yard.

Re: Yandex Mail

#56

Post by djim »

tptacek wrote: post #46
guelo wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is easy for them to use info against you outside of the courts in all sorts of ways, from blacklisting to blackmail. Or if you really piss them off the government can just throw you in jail and refuse to prosecute you, like the guys in Gitmo.

If you think the government is going to disappear you to Guantanamo, what's there to discuss at all? You clearly believe the government is bound by no laws at all.

Are you ok with the information that has come to light about our government collecting masses of data about US citizens under the guise of fighting terrorism? I think what is coming to light here is that the Government does whatever the fuck it wants and justifies those actions in any way they see fit. As a United States Citizen, I am NOT ok with this.

Re: Yandex Mail

#57

Post by sologoub »

If you are that worried about FSB spying on you, make sure you are not running a Kaspersky product: http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/07/ff_kaspersky/all/

But in all seriousness... it seems to be a rather unfortunate reality of using FREE email service, that the actual level of privacy afforded to you is minimal. Russia has a very stringent set of anti-extremism laws that curb free speech big time. If your content is labeled extremist, it has to be taken down by an ISP via a swift court order. Note that the "court" is either a single judge or a small panel of judges making the decision. Under that set of laws.

The hosted paid services like Google Apps is another matter all together. There the privacy expectation should be extremely high... but who knows if that's really true.

Re: Yandex Mail

#58

Post by sologoub »

ivan_gammel wrote: post #52
GabrielF00 wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seriously? Are you completely unfamiliar with the conflict in Chechnya and the surrounding regions? From Wikipedia's article on the Second Chechen War: > According to the 2001 annual report by Amnesty International: >> There were frequent reports that Russian forces indiscriminately bombed and shelled civilian areas. Chechen civilians, including medical personnel, continued to be the target of military attacks by Rus…

This is not precise comparison. The Russian military actions in Chechnya are quite similiar to the ISAF actions in Afghanistan, including bombings of civilians and refusals for journalists ( http://www.stripes.com/news/files-prove-pentagon-is-profilin... ) This is the face of modern warfare, not security operations. Better comparison to drone attacks on terrorists is killing of Dzhokhar Dudaev by laser-guided missile…

Note that while not as widely deployed as the US versions (most likely due to spending barriers), Russian UAVs are under active development. If/when combat ready, you better believe they'll deploy them. Probably with the same attitude as US/NATO. As sad as it might be, it's the rational thing to do - not endanger any of your citizen's lives, get the target, remain relatively untouchable... From the military's perspective, the "innocents" are collateral damage, to be minimized, but acceptable within a given range.

Re: Yandex Mail

#59

Post by fleitz »

gyardley wrote: post #39
smnrchrds wrote: post #18

I actually think Yandex is a good alternative. Assume that all countries have similar projects like PRISM. Which one would you rather have: your country spying on you or a foreign country? If your country is spying on you, it can use the data it gathers against you in a court, etc. If it's a foreign country, what could they possibly do?

Use the information against your own country and the people in it, which likely includes the people you're closest to? Since you're not a citizen of that country, use the information in your email in far less scrupulous ways? Perhaps they could blackmail you into being a foreign intelligence asset. Perhaps a corrupt employee could slip your information to a criminal organization who will then steal your identity. All…

This assumes that you give a shit about the collection of papers with ink that is your 'state'. I don't. I give a shit about not being locked in a cage.

Dulce et...

Re: Yandex Mail

#60

Post by huhtenberg »

sologoub wrote: post #57

If you are that worried about FSB spying on you, make sure you are not running a Kaspersky product: http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/07/ff_kaspersky/all/ But in all seriousness... it seems to be a rather unfortunate reality of using FREE email service, that the actual level of privacy afforded to you is minimal. Russia has a very stringent set of anti-extremism laws that curb free speech big time. If your content…

If you are that worried about NSA spying on you, make sure you are not running Windows.

Because, you know, routine software updates is just what the doctor ordered for on-demand installation of backdoors.

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