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Re: Amazon Announces Login with Amazon

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Post by notahacker »

jaynos wrote: post #21
walls wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "why would someone want to log in with Amazon"? > There's no social network attached to your Amazon account I think you answered your own question.

This. I avoid accidentally posting some garbage to my facebook wall. I'll finally start using "Log on with" if I can use Amazon.

Assuming Amazon's endgame is optional integration with their payment/delivery platforms, there's certainly the hypothetical possibility of accidentally purchasing from confusingly designed sites you'd never give your cc details to though.

Since chargebacks - unlike social spam - cost money, Amazon has every reason to be more cautious about their permissions and confirmation screens, but the wary user probably isn't unjustified in hesitating when asked to sign up for a free service using a login they normally use to buy stuff with.

Re: Amazon Announces Login with Amazon

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Post by hayksaakian »

criley wrote: post #14
hemancuso wrote: post #7

I was shocked to discover this is the canonical URL & domain for the Amazon press releases. After I clicked the link and saw the URL I initially thought this was some bizarre phishing scheme. That being said, I think this is a great idea. I don't love the Facebook OAuth flow and the amount of access most apps ask for. I have trouble taking Twitter seriously as an OAuth provider [bias much?]. I think there are many US…

I agree. I love OAuth idea and the single-sign on flow. I love having one source where I can go and see all of the sites that have my info, and I love being able to rescind my account from that central location. However, I hate that Facebook/Twitter take it a step further with all of their social integration features to the point where many apps assume, by default, that you want to share share share everything you do…

I though persona by Mozilla was basically this.

Re: Amazon Announces Login with Amazon

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Post by tracker1 »

mmastrac wrote: post #2

Alright, but the question is "why would someone want to log in with Amazon"? There's no social network attached to your Amazon account. It seems like it would be an odd choice of identity provider, unless you are a store and already using Amazon's fulfillment services.

Personally, I don't like "login with facebook" everywhere, because every site wants permission to "post to your wall" even when not logged in, etc... Personally, I find this unconscionable. I find the same thing happens with Google these days for single-signon... I'd much rather have a common/popular oauth provider that does NOT have a social integration piece. I don't want invites to every game you play, and don't want them sent out to my friends.

Google was really close to this for me before the Google+ thing. At least with amazon, acting as a purchase gateway is an additional bonus.

Re: Amazon Announces Login with Amazon

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Post by Torrents »

mmastrac wrote: post #2

Alright, but the question is "why would someone want to log in with Amazon"? There's no social network attached to your Amazon account. It seems like it would be an odd choice of identity provider, unless you are a store and already using Amazon's fulfillment services.

Because it's not Facebook.

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Post by x0x0 »

mmastrac wrote: post #2

Alright, but the question is "why would someone want to log in with Amazon"? There's no social network attached to your Amazon account. It seems like it would be an odd choice of identity provider, unless you are a store and already using Amazon's fulfillment services.

amazon wants you to do so for advertising purposes, and this is particularly important given the implications of firefox's 3rd party cookie policy / dnt. Amazon is actually quite a large ad vendor: they allow you to retarget based on purchases and because they've run out of inventory on amazon proper, they buy on exchanges. Running a login system means they can track you around the internet, and this nicely dovetails with ff's new cookie policy since amazon will most likely be on of the sites you've visited and hence a permitted 3rd party cookie. This is a valuable dataset for an advertiser, and even more importantly, will allow 3rd party targeting to continue to work.

This is also why fb / twitter / G run 3rd party login systems.

Re: Amazon Announces Login with Amazon

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Post by nucleardog »

300bps wrote: post #45
hemancuso wrote: post #7

I was shocked to discover this is the canonical URL & domain for the Amazon press releases. After I clicked the link and saw the URL I initially thought this was some bizarre phishing scheme. That being said, I think this is a great idea. I don't love the Facebook OAuth flow and the amount of access most apps ask for. I have trouble taking Twitter seriously as an OAuth provider [bias much?]. I think there are many US…

>That being said, I think this is a great idea. I don't love the Facebook OAuth flow and the amount of access most apps ask for. You bring up a perfect point from a user's perspective and I agree with you. The challenge for Amazon is that there are two competing interests: 1. Users who don't want their entire life to be open to developers 2. Developers that want as much info as possible on the users Facebook favors g…

If Amazon were as ubiquitous as Facebook, we would.

In most situations where we've used a Facebook login, it's simply to avoid forcing the users to create yet another account. We don't pull any real data (except maybe a couple things, again, for their convenience - to fill out their profile) like their name. We push nothing back.

Being able to say "Hey, just login. We don't actually care about your information." would be much preferable to Facebook's unnecessary "This app is requesting permissions to access your profile and friends list." We don't need that information.

I guess maybe that's our fault for abusing Facebook integration by using it simply as a single sign-on service.

Re: Amazon Announces Login with Amazon

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Post by gtaylor »

jasonlotito wrote: post #8
gtaylor wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not too sure, for my purposes. I was trying to think of some ways we could use this, but I'm just not seeing it. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding, though. Can anyone provide some neat examples for cases in the context of web applications? Their mobile app examples didn't really speak to me.

Login with Amazon. Now the person has one-click purchasing power. Or most likely, a credit card on file, which is more valuable then a Facebook profile without any CC on file, especially in the context of a web application.

That makes more sense. That would be pretty neat.

Re: Amazon Announces Login with Amazon

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Post by brentm »

I think this could be really interesting. In my opinion, Login with Facebook creates a little bit of anxiety for customers. Everyone has been burned by unanticipated sharing & with this there is no social network to share to. I need to read the documentation (from a quick glance) it didn't seem like allowing people to checkout with Amazon on your site was possible but I bet that isn't far behind. That to me could be great if they are reasonable on commission rates.
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