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Re: North Korea's silent football matches

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Post by dpapathanasiou »

GhotiFish wrote: post #45

I have to say, I am scared. Very scared actually. I am scared of the grumblings around North Korea, the overwhelming and consistent negative media. This has sprung up recently (country scale timeline), over the past 1.5 ish years i'd say off hand, maybe? I really am terrified that this is the western nation creating a causus belli. A reason for war. I'm really scared that in the coming years, the graph of human popul…

It's unlikely, despite all the rhetoric: http://www.ph.ucla.edu/epi/bioter/seoulsvulnerability.html (while that article is 10 years old, all the same factors remain in play).

Re: North Korea's silent football matches

#52

Post by alinajaf »

GhotiFish wrote: post #45

I have to say, I am scared. Very scared actually. I am scared of the grumblings around North Korea, the overwhelming and consistent negative media. This has sprung up recently (country scale timeline), over the past 1.5 ish years i'd say off hand, maybe? I really am terrified that this is the western nation creating a causus belli. A reason for war. I'm really scared that in the coming years, the graph of human popul…

Very well, you get your wish: A war with North Korea is bad times for pretty much everyone involved. Seoul bombed into the dust, thousands of refugees crossing the Chinese border and a potential for a proxy war between the U.S. and (China/Russia/Iran). Nobody wants this, especially not the North Korean regime. For all their bluster, they are still begging for food from pretty much anyone who will listen to them.

According to experts on the regime, recent threats directed at Seoul and Washington were moves to shore up support from the military faction that was waning after Kim Jong-un came to power and fired a bunch of senior military officials.

Instead of war, you get to watch a country deteriorate into the seventh circle. Humans bred for slavery in concentration camps, people below a certain height relocated to remote islands and left to die and mothers executed in front of their children for being 'enemies of the state'. Does that make you any less scared?

Re: North Korea's silent football matches

#53

Post by gsk »

GhotiFish wrote: post #46
robomartin wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A number of issues with your position. First of all, people, regardless of country, don't start wars, governments do. The North Korean people will not nuke anyone, ever. If that happens it will be done by their government. Be sure to understand that distinction as you go forward in life. The hundred million people killed during the world wars died because of decisions and actions taken by governments, not farmers in…

Out of curiosity. What was he indoctrinated into thinking? That objective morality doesn't exist? Speaking of indoctrination, there is a contingent of people who actively view this as child abuse. Your metaphor is a reality, one town (I'm sure more than one, actually) really does actively abuse their children in the view of another. Do you still say it's not ok? Even when the one abusing that child is your next door…

>What was he indoctrinated into thinking?

The parent did not say that. You did.

Re: North Korea's silent football matches

#54

Post by GhotiFish »

gsk wrote: post #53
GhotiFish wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Out of curiosity. What was he indoctrinated into thinking? That objective morality doesn't exist? Speaking of indoctrination, there is a contingent of people who actively view this as child abuse. Your metaphor is a reality, one town (I'm sure more than one, actually) really does actively abuse their children in the view of another. Do you still say it's not ok? Even when the one abusing that child is your next door…

>What was he indoctrinated into thinking? The parent did not say that. You did.

?

   I know you've had criticism for being young. I won't go 
   there other than to say that there are a lot of 
   indoctrinated young idealists in the HN audience. In 
   some cultures they come out of school indoctrinated and 
   fail to understand the world and their environment until 
   perhaps decades later.
So this is not calling him indoctrinated?

I suppose it technically isn't, actually. I find that position pedantic though.

When you see a headline titled "Is Obama trying to destroy America?" you know exactly what their position is. They just can't swap the "Is" and "Obama" words, because it's slander at that point.

None of this is to be commended.

Re: North Korea's silent football matches

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Post by robomartin »

GhotiFish wrote: post #54
gsk wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>What was he indoctrinated into thinking? The parent did not say that. You did.

? I know you've had criticism for being young. I won't go there other than to say that there are a lot of indoctrinated young idealists in the HN audience. In some cultures they come out of school indoctrinated and fail to understand the world and their environment until perhaps decades later. So this is not calling him indoctrinated? I suppose it technically isn't, actually. I find that position pedantic though. Whe…

> So this is not calling him indoctrinated?

Yup. You got it!

What I am saying is factually correct. There are a lot of young brain-washed (indoctrinated) folks who post on HN. How can one tell? Experience. When you read some posts from the perspective of having lived a life outside of academic and religious indoctrination long enough you detect sometimes subtle cues that reveal it. These posts are always detectably different from those of someone with what I might call "independent" life experience.

One of my favorite examples of this is the "blame the rich" meme. It's a very popular meme. Rich businessmen (never women, BTW) are greedy, get paid too much and oppress the little guys. Such statements can only come from a position of indoctrinated ignorance. You can derail such ideas with a few well-crafted questions that quickly point out just how ridiculous a concept it is.

Indoctrination is a powerful force. People will blow themselves up and kill others because they've been brainwashed into a belief system that makes zero sense to someone watching from the outside. What most don't want to accept is that indoctrination isn't limited to extreme quasi-religious ideologies.

Re: North Korea's silent football matches

#56

Post by GhotiFish »

robomartin wrote: post #55
GhotiFish wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

? I know you've had criticism for being young. I won't go there other than to say that there are a lot of indoctrinated young idealists in the HN audience. In some cultures they come out of school indoctrinated and fail to understand the world and their environment until perhaps decades later. So this is not calling him indoctrinated? I suppose it technically isn't, actually. I find that position pedantic though. Whe…

> So this is not calling him indoctrinated? Yup. You got it! What I am saying is factually correct. There are a lot of young brain-washed (indoctrinated) folks who post on HN. How can one tell? Experience. When you read some posts from the perspective of having lived a life outside of academic and religious indoctrination long enough you detect sometimes subtle cues that reveal it. These posts are always detectably d…

Ah I see, so then there was no point in mentioning it right?

Since rikacomet is not indoctrinated, the suggestion to read the works of Greek philosophers was also not a suggestion to correct that line of thinking, and I doubt you were referring to the people responding to him. So it must just be an off the cuff remark. I like carrots. Carrots earned their reputation for improving eyesight in world war two, when the allies spread the rumor that they were giving their pilots a high dose carrot diet to improve their eyesight, as a cover for their shinny new radar system. After all, given the fact that they arn't related, it doesn't seem to apply to anyone really in this discussion.

Or maybe I'm wrong? Did your comment about indoctrination relate, in some way, to something? I think I'm missing it's purpose.

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