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Re: Adobe is going to kill Fireworks

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Post by bluepill » Mon, May 06, 2013, 1:38 PM UTC

webwielder wrote: post #49

Fireworks is an atrociously buggy, poorly designed piece of shit, but it's stil been the best app for web and UI design. However, in the past 6 months I've started using an app called Antetype instead, and can't recommend it enough for screen design. http://antetype.com/

scuse my french but before saying that you should fucking learn how to use it

Re: Adobe is going to kill Fireworks

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Post by jimwalsh » Mon, May 06, 2013, 1:40 PM UTC

quink wrote: post #33

jimwalsh wrote: post #17

I see more people writing about how they are using Illustrator to design sites now than Fireworks/Photoshop. Claiming that it helps design responsive sites better/more intuitively. I haven't used Fireworks for years. Once you are proficient in Photoshop, I rarely found a reason to open Fireworks even given all of its benefits.

I don't really like this approach. Don't do web design in Illustrator, do it in HTML5 + CSS3. Sure, it might take a little longer at first, but the time saved over a longer time frame makes it worth it in so many different ways. Instead, graphics software should be used for elements in the layout rather than the layout itself. It turns out that positioning is quite orthogonal to colour. Borders are orthogonal to text…

I agree, I do a lot of design in browser now as well. I was just stating you tend to see more articles about Illustrator and its benefits to a design workflow over that of Fireworks.

Re: Adobe is going to kill Fireworks

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Post by colemorrison » Mon, May 06, 2013, 1:42 PM UTC

bluepill wrote: post #51

webwielder wrote: post #49

Fireworks is an atrociously buggy, poorly designed piece of shit, but it's stil been the best app for web and UI design. However, in the past 6 months I've started using an app called Antetype instead, and can't recommend it enough for screen design. http://antetype.com/

scuse my french but before saying that you should fucking learn how to use it

yes. bluepill said it perfectly.

Re: Adobe is going to kill Fireworks

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Post by tarcon » Mon, May 06, 2013, 1:44 PM UTC

PixelCut wrote: post #35

Our new vector drawing app, WebCode, is a nice replacement for Fireworks: http://www.webcodeapp.com/ It generates CSS, JavaScript+Canvas and SVG code from your drawings in real time and can also import PSD documents. The generated code works great on both Retina and non-Retina displays. You can even preview how your drawings would look on Retina displays directly in WebCode. It inherited a lot of things from PaintCod…

How do you provide a preview for Retina displays on non-Retina displays?

Re: Adobe is going to kill Fireworks

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Post by kibibu » Mon, May 06, 2013, 1:45 PM UTC

webwielder wrote: post #49

Fireworks is an atrociously buggy, poorly designed piece of shit, but it's stil been the best app for web and UI design. However, in the past 6 months I've started using an app called Antetype instead, and can't recommend it enough for screen design. http://antetype.com/

OT: I hate sliding hero-unit carousels that don't pause on hover. I am trying to look at your damn image, hold it still!

Also, get off my lawn.

Re: Adobe is going to kill Fireworks

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Post by webwielder » Mon, May 06, 2013, 1:46 PM UTC

bluepill wrote: post #51

webwielder wrote: post #49

Fireworks is an atrociously buggy, poorly designed piece of shit, but it's stil been the best app for web and UI design. However, in the past 6 months I've started using an app called Antetype instead, and can't recommend it enough for screen design. http://antetype.com/

scuse my french but before saying that you should fucking learn how to use it

What kind of rejoinder is that? I used it heavily for three years. It's a joke. Here's a tiny fraction of the shit I encountered every day: http://fwsucks.tumblr.com/

Re: Adobe is going to kill Fireworks

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Post by toddwahnish » Mon, May 06, 2013, 1:46 PM UTC

Adobe is migrating everyone to the new cloud services, so it makes sense. Fireworks > Edge Reflow / Dreamweaver, Flash > Edge Animate. Only problem is that they're experimenting so much with new apps that I don't know what to invest my time in learning (I'm looking at you Proto).

Re: Adobe is going to kill Fireworks

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Post by kibibu » Mon, May 06, 2013, 1:47 PM UTC

tarcon wrote: post #54

PixelCut wrote: post #35

Our new vector drawing app, WebCode, is a nice replacement for Fireworks: http://www.webcodeapp.com/ It generates CSS, JavaScript+Canvas and SVG code from your drawings in real time and can also import PSD documents. The generated code works great on both Retina and non-Retina displays. You can even preview how your drawings would look on Retina displays directly in WebCode. It inherited a lot of things from PaintCod…

How do you provide a preview for Retina displays on non-Retina displays?

Zoom to 200%, and move the monitor twice as far away.

Re: Adobe is going to kill Fireworks

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Post by thinker » Mon, May 06, 2013, 1:47 PM UTC

Been a Fireworks user for years for UI mockups and graphic design. Would be tragic if this news is true. One alternative not mentioned here is Omnigraffle. It is actually very well suited for UI design though not as much for visual design but you can get pretty close.

Re: Adobe is going to kill Fireworks

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Post by untog » Mon, May 06, 2013, 1:47 PM UTC

quink wrote: post #10

The perfect combination of vector and bitmap editing. I love Fireworks. My guess is that Adobe just couldn't figure out how to make it better. It was already pretty much all it needed to be by about Fireworks MX. And it remains, to this day, a very different codebase. User-friendly but quite powerful behind the scenes. I could never get the hang of Photoshop or Illustrator. Sure, Photoshop may have features or Illust…

Agreed. I can only assume that at least 50% of the people that use Photoshop only do it because they've never tried Fireworks (or have to, because everyone else does). Of course, that means Adobe is sort of competing with it's own product, so it was inevitable that Fireworks would disappear some day.

To the best of my knowledge, Fireworks has no competitor or open source equivalent. If anyone is thinking about it, you'd have a customer for life from me.