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Boston Bombing Suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev Apprehended Alive

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Re: Boston Bombing Suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev Apprehended Alive

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Alan Dershowitz?

Unlikely. He is very much against Islamic terrorism, and this is apparently just that case.

He's defended MEK, which seems to be both Marxist and Islamist, although admittedly also anti-Iranian-Government.

Re: Boston Bombing Suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev Apprehended Alive

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Thank God. While I'm honestly not concerned about the man's well-being - that 8-year-old boy should be alive in his place - I am very curious as to why they did this.

They come from a very Islamic country and it's been said that they'd recently started wearing traditional Muslim clothing--a switch from the european clothing they'd been wearing for most of their lives. It's easy for kids to become obsessed with a cause... even if it's a terrible one. Basically, all signs point to this being just another religious extremist attack.

It appears that the elder brother got disillusioned/pissed-off (I guess he came here in his late teens, so didn't get the chance to adjust). He got angry. Maybe he felt that he belonged in the Olympic team and didn't make it. Whatever. But this provided the kindling; and some religious nut turned this anger into a weapon.

The younger brother was just too much under the influence of the elder, it appears from what I've read. Maybe he looked up to him, and just followed him blindly. Who knows.

As long as we keep figuring out ways to hate each other, we'll keep figuring out ways to kill each other.

Re: Boston Bombing Suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev Apprehended Alive

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I can't help but feel like these brothers are also victims here. Of course, their victimhood is nothing like what they inflicted on the people of Boston and the marathoners, but they're victims nonetheless. Humans are glorified chemical reaction vessels; somehow, they ended up going down a path that led them here. Was there any alternative? Was it the education system? Social circumstances? I'm sure the magnitude of…

If the allegations are true (they murdered women and a child and blew off the limbs of innocent men women and children) then they are not victims, they are criminals.

Saying they are victims and suggesting that pity be given them is wrong. It insults the real victims in this tragedy.

Re: Boston Bombing Suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev Apprehended Alive

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Earlier I was reading through the Twitter account of the now apprehended suspect and what is most striking is just how normal he is. Every one of his tweets could have been attributed to a completely normal teenager, he couldn't be more generic. It's strange how Twitter offers an insight into his life... but really it doesn't show anything. When someone blew people up in the 90s the news would report they're crazy, w…

link: https://twitter.com/J_tsar

Re: Boston Bombing Suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev Apprehended Alive

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I can't help but feel like these brothers are also victims here. Of course, their victimhood is nothing like what they inflicted on the people of Boston and the marathoners, but they're victims nonetheless. Humans are glorified chemical reaction vessels; somehow, they ended up going down a path that led them here. Was there any alternative? Was it the education system? Social circumstances? I'm sure the magnitude of…

This kind of thinking is very dangerous and can be used to excuse all sorts of terrible behavior. We are all responsible for our actions. I can't prove that we have free will, but I feel it's important to believe it.

I think that's looking at it backwards. I'm not saying that he should be given any kind of leniency or have anything be "excused" because of this. I'm just wondering what a society would look like that started with the hypothesis that this was a failure in developing a citizen as opposed to a failure in preventing a crime.

Obviously when you've gotten to this point, it's time to apply the law, not justify things away.

Re: Boston Bombing Suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev Apprehended Alive

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I wonder how they'll find a jury that doesn't already think he's guilty.

Well, look at the currently top comment ( http://tf-575.com/images/renders/ ), they are victims, see... A jury is possible, yes.

Bad link?

Re: Boston Bombing Suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev Apprehended Alive

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I can't help but feel like these brothers are also victims here. Of course, their victimhood is nothing like what they inflicted on the people of Boston and the marathoners, but they're victims nonetheless. Humans are glorified chemical reaction vessels; somehow, they ended up going down a path that led them here. Was there any alternative? Was it the education system? Social circumstances? I'm sure the magnitude of…

This kind of thinking is very dangerous and can be used to excuse all sorts of terrible behavior. We are all responsible for our actions. I can't prove that we have free will, but I feel it's important to believe it.

It's important to ask how this happened, because of course our choices are themselves brought about by external reasons. We can, in many cases, do something about it. We can teach people how to make better choices, too.

But I agree, it's important not to lose sight of the fact that he did make the choice to be here today.

Re: Boston Bombing Suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev Apprehended Alive

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I can't help but feel like these brothers are also victims here. Of course, their victimhood is nothing like what they inflicted on the people of Boston and the marathoners, but they're victims nonetheless. Humans are glorified chemical reaction vessels; somehow, they ended up going down a path that led them here. Was there any alternative? Was it the education system? Social circumstances? I'm sure the magnitude of…

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Why does murdering children imply you should receive no sympathy? Is sympathy only an emotion for the morally clean?

Re: Boston Bombing Suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev Apprehended Alive

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I wonder how they'll find a jury that doesn't already think he's guilty.

Well, look at the currently top comment ( http://tf-575.com/images/renders/ ), they are victims, see... A jury is possible, yes.

What the heck did you link to? :-D (cut-n-paste gone wild!)
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