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Pirate Bay co-founder charged with hacking and fraud

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Re: Pirate Bay co-founder charged with hacking and fraud

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Post by lawnchair_larry »

aus_ wrote: post #33

PCWorld reports he "hacked IBM mainframes". [1] I would be interested in knowing the details of this. I am a sysprog for z/OS for a financial institution by day, and I have never heard of any sort of intrusion like this. Not that these systems are completely bulletproof, but I expect there is some fabrication in these statements. These systems are usually deep in the backend and obscurely buried in archaic and propri…

As someone who works in security, I can tell you that your trust in these is misplaced. Archaic proprietary systems, once examined, are far worse in terms of security, not better. It isn't difficult to learn z/OS if that is your goal.

Re: Pirate Bay co-founder charged with hacking and fraud

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Post by trotsky »

rayiner wrote: post #46
trotsky wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think I'd remain skeptical until the specific details emerge. Let's not forget weeve is doing federal time for running a script to download email addresses from a public website. I'm not saying it couldn't be legit, but I think we can all agree that TPB is well into the realm of "find me something that'll stick on these guys"

> Let's not forget weeve is doing federal time for running a script to download email addresses from a public website. And claiming he was going to sell them. Why leave out the whole truth?

Well because that's the first time I'd ever heard that and I've followed it off and on since he first issued the press release.

I don't doubt he might have though, as he's a fucking idiot. But if you're actually going to do that you're not exactly issuing press releases about the loss.

Kind of an odd thing to suggest as a heinous crime anyway, since 50x that much data is being passed around about all those people on that list between the fortune 500 under thge guise of privacy policies and partners.

Re: Pirate Bay co-founder charged with hacking and fraud

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Post by chenster »

s_henry_paulson wrote: post #14
sergiotapia wrote: post #3

>hacking into several Swedish companies and stealing personal data Are these allegations true? If so, I don't think this man deserves sympathies. The punishment may be too harsh in my opinion for these type of crimes, but they are crimes nonetheless.

He deserves sympathy for the way this has been handled. He has been held for something like 7 months without charges under a law that is supposed to allow holding someone while evidence is gathered. The person is not supposed to be held for more than 7 days, 14 at the most. So they've had to keep filing and getting a judge to approve extensions to keep holding him without charging him. Now, one wonders if they needed…

> He has been held for something like 7 months without charges under a law that is supposed to allow holding someone while evidence is gathered.

Is this true? It sounds like no difference from totalitarian system such as Chinese government to legally detain a person for while gathering evidence.

Re: Pirate Bay co-founder charged with hacking and fraud

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Post by jakejake »

jlouis wrote: post #25
s_henry_paulson wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He deserves sympathy for the way this has been handled. He has been held for something like 7 months without charges under a law that is supposed to allow holding someone while evidence is gathered. The person is not supposed to be held for more than 7 days, 14 at the most. So they've had to keep filing and getting a judge to approve extensions to keep holding him without charging him. Now, one wonders if they needed…

The judge giving extensions is key here. It is customary to operate like this in Scandinavian countries. The idea is that the police has to make a case to the judge that it is worthwhile to still hold him and that they are making progress in the case. Otherwise he would have been released long ago. It is quite different from other countries, I know, but law is not handled the same way all over the world.

I would imagine it is easy for the prosecutor to claim the dependent is a flight risk, since they had such difficulty getting him into the country.

Re: Pirate Bay co-founder charged with hacking and fraud

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Post by makomk »

mongol wrote: post #42
draugadrotten wrote: post #17

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Penalties in the Swedish justice system are humane. Even serious crimes only renders 5-10 years of prison time. Conditions in prisons are far better than the US. Prisoners have private rooms, gym and better food than elderly citizens. The US system have far too severe penalties. Sentences of 10-100 years are now common. Conditions in prisons are horrible with rampant drug abuse, violence and even murders. However, th…

Yes, Sweden has "fri bevisföring". And why not? If evidence proves that someone is a criminal, it is not less true it was retrieved by controversial means. "Fri bevisföring" means that the court makes the decision whether the evidence is valid, based on circumstances in the case in question.

Because it means that restrictions on search and seizure aren't worth the paper they're written on. If you're a police officer, why wouldn't you illegally search or track someone if you think it'll help you get a conviction? There's fuck-all chance you're going to get in trouble for it, your bosses and the prosecutors care just as much about nailing the guy as you do.

Re: Pirate Bay co-founder charged with hacking and fraud

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Post by TylerE »

chenster wrote: post #53
s_henry_paulson wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He deserves sympathy for the way this has been handled. He has been held for something like 7 months without charges under a law that is supposed to allow holding someone while evidence is gathered. The person is not supposed to be held for more than 7 days, 14 at the most. So they've had to keep filing and getting a judge to approve extensions to keep holding him without charging him. Now, one wonders if they needed…

> He has been held for something like 7 months without charges under a law that is supposed to allow holding someone while evidence is gathered. Is this true? It sounds like no difference from totalitarian system such as Chinese government to legally detain a person for while gathering evidence.

Can't really go around throwing that particular rock while we still live in the Gitmo glass house.

Re: Pirate Bay co-founder charged with hacking and fraud

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Post by GauntletWizard »

rayiner wrote: post #46
trotsky wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think I'd remain skeptical until the specific details emerge. Let's not forget weeve is doing federal time for running a script to download email addresses from a public website. I'm not saying it couldn't be legit, but I think we can all agree that TPB is well into the realm of "find me something that'll stick on these guys"

> Let's not forget weeve is doing federal time for running a script to download email addresses from a public website. And claiming he was going to sell them. Why leave out the whole truth?

Since when is it illegal to sell lists of e-mail addresses? Immoral and unethical in many situations, yes, but illegal it is rarely.

Re: Pirate Bay co-founder charged with hacking and fraud

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Post by eli »

np422 wrote: post #31
pathy wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you even read the indictment? A casual look seems to indicate that the investigation is very thorough. (See another post here for link) And if anyone is a flight risk who would never be granted bail it is Gottfried, He has already fled a sentence once - that is not to say that being in a 'häkte' is fun or humane, depending on circumstances. Finally: >I'm from Sweden and I'm very sad to say that I don't consider…

I really envy you naive notion on Swedish legal security. Take a look at our modern history. Confiscation of not yet published newspapers during world war II. The German troop transports, the extradition of Baltic citizens, the IB-matter, forced sterilization. We really have a history of throwing out all legal principles whenever public authorities want to. In recent times, Thomas Quick, the extradition of two Egypti…

The US internment camps? Waterboarding? Gitmo?

I think it's often enough for a legal system that strives for perfection rather than one that is always perfect. I do not think the latter has ever existed.

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