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A new study suggests alcohol is more harmful than heroin or crack

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Re: A new study suggests alcohol is more harmful than heroin or crack

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Post by gnosis »

JVIDEL wrote: post #43

I always wondered why alcohol didn't get the same restrictions that cigarettes got: sure you can still buy marlboros anywhere, they are not banned and the police wont throw you in a cell for carrying a pack, but ads for tobacco are seriously curtailed if not outright forbidden in most places and the boxes themselves are full of health warnings. Why don't do the same with alcohol? Where I live ads for beer, wine and o…

"I always wondered why alcohol didn't get the same restrictions that cigarettes got"

It did, and worse. See:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohibition

Re: A new study suggests alcohol is more harmful than heroin or crack

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Post by aswanson »

aswanson wrote: post #48
JVIDEL wrote: post #43

I always wondered why alcohol didn't get the same restrictions that cigarettes got: sure you can still buy marlboros anywhere, they are not banned and the police wont throw you in a cell for carrying a pack, but ads for tobacco are seriously curtailed if not outright forbidden in most places and the boxes themselves are full of health warnings. Why don't do the same with alcohol? Where I live ads for beer, wine and o…

beer ads say you can party hard 24/7 and nail all the chicks you want/see by being pissing-in-your-pants drunk Hilarious. This was been the exact opposite of my experience in my younger days. If anything, alcohol tipped the odds against me in situations, in sober retrospect , would have went my way had I not been drinking. They should use celibate monasteries as a backdrop for alcohol ads.

Too late to edit: The grammatical errors in the parent post may lead one to think that I was inebriated prior to typing. I assure you this was totally due to poor editing rather than alcohol. :)

Re: A new study suggests alcohol is more harmful than heroin or crack

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Post by JVIDEL »

gnosis wrote: post #51
JVIDEL wrote: post #43

I always wondered why alcohol didn't get the same restrictions that cigarettes got: sure you can still buy marlboros anywhere, they are not banned and the police wont throw you in a cell for carrying a pack, but ads for tobacco are seriously curtailed if not outright forbidden in most places and the boxes themselves are full of health warnings. Why don't do the same with alcohol? Where I live ads for beer, wine and o…

"I always wondered why alcohol didn't get the same restrictions that cigarettes got" It did, and worse. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohibition

Did you even read that article? the prohibition was the BAN of alcohol, they didn't limit the ads or forced companies to put warnings on the label, they BANNED all drinks and beverages containing alcohol meaning if they catched you with a beer box it had the same results than walking around with a bag of marijuana today: jail.

Re: A new study suggests alcohol is more harmful than heroin or crack

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Post by alexanderRohde »

MacsHeadroom wrote: post #22
kghose wrote: post #5

Expanding on an point by grimtrigger, is this related to damage per user, or overall damage? If governments no longer controlled heroin, and the number of users spiked to be the same as the number of users of alcohol would the graphs change. I suspect that because of dependency, strong drugs would still lead to increases in crime, since they would still cost something, and their users would still not be in a position…

You suspect wrong on both accounts. Many governments have legalized Heroine. Doing so has always lead to marked decreases in use. Lower use means lower demand means less drug related crime. Additionally, when money saved on drug enforcement is appropriated for needle exchanges and rehab centers, the price of a days worth of heroin drops to 0 for the user. Areas with decriminalized heroin and needle exchanges see the…

" Many governments have legalized Heroine. Doing so has always lead to marked decreases in use." Source?

Re: A new study suggests alcohol is more harmful than heroin or crack

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Post by andyl »

aswanson wrote: post #44
andyl wrote: post #31

I grew up in a drinking culture, and damn we loved to party. Nothing was funnier than a drunk friend doing something stupid. Twenty five years later: four of my school friends are dead from alcohol. Fuck - that kind of takes the fun out of it - I loved those people. Most people can handle drugs and alcohol just fine. But a lot of people can't.

Wow. How old were they when they died, and what were their drinking habits like throughout the years, if you don't mind sharing. If you don't feel like providing the details, understood.

My friends died in their late thirties / early forties. I don't know all the details. One guy's liver gave out - another got into pills and I'm not sure what else. I don't know what killed the others, just that alcohol was contributor.

Stories like these are not uncommon. CDC says alcohol kills 80K people annually.

Re: A new study suggests alcohol is more harmful than heroin or crack

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Post by RougeFemme »

ams6110 wrote: post #30
fennecfoxen wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are stairs more dangerous? No. Is the sum of all accidents on the stairs more costly to society than all accidents mountain-climbing? Probably. There's a reason the occasional mandatory workplace-safety education sessions you have around your office focus on things like ladders and picking up packages: people actually do those things. Postscript: Also, auto accidents cause kill more people in the US than terrorism. :…

Funny you should mention workplace safety.. where I work there is a campaign to have people take the stairs instead of the elevators, a typically busybody approach to improving employee fitness. However an employee is far more likely sustain an injury by using the stairs compared to riding in an elevator, and particularly as they were encouraged by the employer to do so, they would have a pretty clear worker's compen…

We have a similar campaign where I work. I think the suggestion was instigated more by an "incentive" from our health insurance company than any strong desire by my employer.

Re: A new study suggests alcohol is more harmful than heroin or crack

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Post by RougeFemme »

ams6110 wrote: post #30
fennecfoxen wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are stairs more dangerous? No. Is the sum of all accidents on the stairs more costly to society than all accidents mountain-climbing? Probably. There's a reason the occasional mandatory workplace-safety education sessions you have around your office focus on things like ladders and picking up packages: people actually do those things. Postscript: Also, auto accidents cause kill more people in the US than terrorism. :…

Funny you should mention workplace safety.. where I work there is a campaign to have people take the stairs instead of the elevators, a typically busybody approach to improving employee fitness. However an employee is far more likely sustain an injury by using the stairs compared to riding in an elevator, and particularly as they were encouraged by the employer to do so, they would have a pretty clear worker's compen…

We have a similar campaign where I work. I think the suggestion was instigated more by an "incentive" from our health insurance company than any strong desire by my employer.
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