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The Bloodthirsty Battle For Tech Talent

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Re: The Bloodthirsty Battle For Tech Talent

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why are you comparing a qualified doctor or lawyer to a web dev who doesn't know anything about database design?

I would argue that it's possible for even an average web developer to create at least a comparable amount of economic value as the doctor or lawyer. I don't know why our own community find this hard to accept? We're a rare species who can create massive value for ourselves or our employers. We can build great products that many would pay for, or automate away whole departments of people with our code - not that I tak…

a web dev who doesn't know databases is like [some creative analogy about a doctor hurting people]

Re: The Bloodthirsty Battle For Tech Talent

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And here I am, a rails developer trying to move to SF, and I only get maybe a few nibbles a week. I must not be on the right job boards. Or something. Is the meetup.com ruby list the place to go? Someone also suggested changing my location on LinkedIn to SF - however, I am hoping to relocate, but haven't done so yet, so that seems dishonest.

Maybe it has something to do with the fact that the author, Matt Mickiewicz, runs developerauction.com. I imagine it is in their best interest to drum up the "talent war," to make it seem like there are no engineers to hire. My experience tells me that this talent war exists... for the top few percentile of engineers. Where these people are dogged by recruiters and companies alike, there is a sharp dropoff; engineers…

I just love it when someone writes my post for me.

Re: The Bloodthirsty Battle For Tech Talent

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And here I am, a rails developer trying to move to SF, and I only get maybe a few nibbles a week. I must not be on the right job boards. Or something. Is the meetup.com ruby list the place to go? Someone also suggested changing my location on LinkedIn to SF - however, I am hoping to relocate, but haven't done so yet, so that seems dishonest.

Hey JimboOmega.

SlideShare is looking for Rails devs and we frequently hire people who are moving to the bay area (from Ohio, Texas, France ...)

You can email me at jon AT slideshare DOT com

Re: The Bloodthirsty Battle For Tech Talent

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Honestly this is just a PR piece for DeveloperAuction. "How to win the bloodthirsty battle for tech talent"? Why come use our site of course! This strip from 1995 sums it up pretty well: http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/1995-05-22/ I see a number of problems (on both sides): 1. There is no shortage of talent. There might well be a shortage of talent for the price you're willing to pay but that's hardly the same thing;…

The 10x figure is pseudoknowledge - something we "all know" that isn't actually true (or that at least we have no good reason to believe to be true), cf. http://vimeo.com/9270320 . In brief: the study that it is ultimately derived from had a tiny sample size (on the order of 30, to wit), and for several reasons the experimental design would have invalidated its results outside the very narrow original focus of the study (which was the relative productivity of batch processing vs. interactive processing on the computing systems of 1968) even if the sample size had been larger.

Re: The Bloodthirsty Battle For Tech Talent

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It's clear that popping on everyone's radar gets you a lot of attention, but really, how many would follow through all the way? The article mentions that none asked for any sort of online presence (Linkedin, Github, etc). Perhaps it's because they weren't serious to begin with.

Why the downvote? I don't live in the States, but I get emails from recruiters across Europe all the time (I'm a rails dev as well). In my experience they're not as serious as you might expect. Sure, the situation is extreme in SF, but is the signal to noise ratio better?

Re: The Bloodthirsty Battle For Tech Talent

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I don't think expecting $100k+, benefits, telecommuting etc necessarily indicates entitlement. Most people in finance, senior managers, doctors, lawyers, architects, management consultants etc wouldn't get out of bed for less than that, especially in a big city with high cost of living. I think its great that techies are starting to realise their value and grab a piece of that for themselves.

What dictates entitlement is asking or expecting something without actually having earned it. Obviously finance, doctors, and lawyers went to school for many years. They earned it. Developers, who can't even explain map/reduce or other important CS concepts, have not.

I can't explain map reduce. I generally know what it is but I've never needed to use it or implement it.

That doesn't mean I'm not a good engineer. It just means I haven't done something before.

Re: The Bloodthirsty Battle For Tech Talent

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We've been hiring for a little while in Los Angeles. The problem is that there are some Rails developers, but most of the ones I've met are pretty entitled. They expect 100K+, benefits, telecommuting, etc. The problem is that most of them are fairly incompetent when it comes to everything else. Ask them about database design, sockets, parallelism, map/reduce, memory allocation, etc. and you'll get blank stares. This…

I don't think expecting $100k+, benefits, telecommuting etc necessarily indicates entitlement. Most people in finance, senior managers, doctors, lawyers, architects, management consultants etc wouldn't get out of bed for less than that, especially in a big city with high cost of living. I think its great that techies are starting to realise their value and grab a piece of that for themselves.

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Re: The Bloodthirsty Battle For Tech Talent

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We've been hiring for a little while in Los Angeles. The problem is that there are some Rails developers, but most of the ones I've met are pretty entitled. They expect 100K+, benefits, telecommuting, etc. The problem is that most of them are fairly incompetent when it comes to everything else. Ask them about database design, sockets, parallelism, map/reduce, memory allocation, etc. and you'll get blank stares. This…

Ask them about database design, sockets, parallelism, map/reduce, memory allocation, etc. and you'll get blank stares.

You might have better success just advertising for someone who has experience with whatever large data requirement you are working with. Senior engineers can learn the framework if they aren't already familiar with it.

I wouldn't expect a RoR engineer to be very concerned with memory allocation, parallelism or sockets. They are busy building sexy CRUD web applications.

Re: The Bloodthirsty Battle For Tech Talent

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And here I am, a rails developer trying to move to SF, and I only get maybe a few nibbles a week. I must not be on the right job boards. Or something. Is the meetup.com ruby list the place to go? Someone also suggested changing my location on LinkedIn to SF - however, I am hoping to relocate, but haven't done so yet, so that seems dishonest.

Maybe it has something to do with the fact that the author, Matt Mickiewicz, runs developerauction.com. I imagine it is in their best interest to drum up the "talent war," to make it seem like there are no engineers to hire. My experience tells me that this talent war exists... for the top few percentile of engineers. Where these people are dogged by recruiters and companies alike, there is a sharp dropoff; engineers…

Funny. Sounds like me. I went to a decent but "wrong" school (UVA), lured by promises of a free ride. I missed my tech bingo interviews (and I've had a lot of them), for reasons worthy of a blog post. My first, for instance, with MS, went wrong because Alaska Airlines got my flight in around 1 or 2 AM - for an 8 AM interview the next day. I know I was not at my best.

I am also totally done with Google - it's just not worth 4 months of runaround and countless phone interviews just to come in and fail because one of the interviewers hates the whole process. And last time they contacted me, they told me to learn either Java or Python and call them back when I did. No thanks. Nothing against Python, but I am not putting that much effort into the chance at another interview. I would totally work for a company that did Python, and learn as I go - I've done that plenty before. (Edit: Oh, and the number of interviews google puts you through just should not be allowed)

I spent a year working on my own startup, which is what got me into rails, but it ran out of runway and I was then tied to the area by romance, and got a mediocre job at a huge company. I am no longer encumbered, but my resume lacks any recognizable names (of schools or companies). I've had a lot of other personal projects that never went anywhere and which earn me no points, but at least keep me in the game. (I should have put them all on GitHub, I suppose, but was too embarassed about their unfinished nature to do so).

I also don't get what the obsession is with CS 201 questions. But I keep my data structures textbook around just so I can relearn how to implement A* or remind myself what the big-O of a B-tree delete is before interviews. Of course, at Google I'd need to be implementing these data structures daily(?). I don't have a big problem with them, it's just an odd thing to be obsessed with.

Re: The Bloodthirsty Battle For Tech Talent

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If you're serious about moving it's not dishonest - people looking for candidates for a S.F. role want you to appear in their search results! Maybe mention your plans to move, and your willingness/ability to interview onsite or remotely via Skype, in your profile summary.

Well, is LinkedIn even the best way? I get a fair amount of (local, I live near DC) recruiter spam through it, but it's often nothing to do with rails, and it is mostly third party recruiters. I'm looking for a startup or small-company environment that actually uses rails. Big ERP jobs are easy to find, but the startup jobs are, despite the supposed feeding frenzy, a little bit more scarce on the ground. (Or else I'm…

Did you check the who's hiring thread? When I was looking a few months ago, it was an excellent source of leads, many of them startups.
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