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Ask PG: Did the "apply to YC without an idea" experiment work?

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Re: Ask PG: Did the "apply to YC without an idea" experiment work?

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Being one of the no idea / barely an idea teams in s12, one of the teams that acrimoniously blew apart and probably one of the teams that led to the changes that YC made for w13, I am glad that "no idea" is no longer an option. I still view YC's willingness to experiment in an extremely positive light. It's why YC is the innovator, and everyone else (500, techstars etc) are just imitators. That being said, I think "n…

This kind of hits the nail on the head. An idea is in many ways the context by which you judge a startup team in terms of a core commitment to a common goal, as shown by working on it together for a period of time (more than a week, etc.). It defines what 'team' means. Without that, what do you have? Credentials.

Of course by disaster I meant just relative to other classes, with a much higher amount of team splits/zombies in such a short period, which seemed predictable. Most startups don't work out, that's expected, but the stage was weighed for things not to work out in re: the startup itself and the friendships involved. Who knows, perhaps you and your friends, with a shared, good idea would have done great in w13, having the right context to build upon where you were at. I know of other teams who were extremely frustrated that something they've dreamed about, Demo Day, turn into something to dread and the quite painfully choosing to give up on the whole endeavor whatever the high personal costs (not necessarily wrongly).

One of the best things about pg's essay was the core message to entrepreneurs that a good startup idea requires not a pressure cooker atmosphere to come up with an 'idea' but the natural space in which you notice a problem that can be solved. It's the starting point, not something that can be tacked on later like the noidea concept would suggest.

Re: Ask PG: Did the "apply to YC without an idea" experiment work?

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Perhaps the whole idea of the noidea app set the stage for the disaster that was S12. Even though only one noidea app was accepted strictly speaking perhaps both a signal sent that the 'idea bar' was lowered and and a lowering of standards. This seems to me to hold a lot of explanatory power, much more so than the idea that multiplying 66 by 1.27 would be the key thing in turning something that works into something u…

much more so than the idea that multiplying 66 by 1.27 would be the key thing in turning something that works into something unmanageable Ever run into an n^2 algorithm?

Out of curiosity, what makes you think that managing YC is n^2? Certainly everyone would need to communicate with you -- that's n. The question is whether or not each YC pair would need to communicate with each other. That is n^2 and seems like an excessively high level of message passing.

Re: Ask PG: Did the "apply to YC without an idea" experiment work?

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post #51

Being one of the no idea / barely an idea teams in s12, one of the teams that acrimoniously blew apart and probably one of the teams that led to the changes that YC made for w13, I am glad that "no idea" is no longer an option. I still view YC's willingness to experiment in an extremely positive light. It's why YC is the innovator, and everyone else (500, techstars etc) are just imitators. That being said, I think "n…

This kind of hits the nail on the head. An idea is in many ways the context by which you judge a startup team in terms of a core commitment to a common goal, as shown by working on it together for a period of time (more than a week, etc.). It defines what 'team' means. Without that, what do you have? Credentials. Of course by disaster I meant just relative to other classes, with a much higher amount of team splits/zo…

Completely agree. Do you happen to have a link to pg's essay about changes from s12 to w13? Thanks.

Re: Ask PG: Did the "apply to YC without an idea" experiment work?

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I have always worked on the principle that entrepreneurs have 1000 ideas, choosing which idea to work on is the challenge.

I presume YC attracts a certain target audience of generally 'people who build things.' . Wonder did YC without an idea change the target audience?

Re: Ask PG: Did the "apply to YC without an idea" experiment work?

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I have always worked on the principle that entrepreneurs have 1000 ideas, choosing which idea to work on is the challenge. I presume YC attracts a certain target audience of generally 'people who build things.' . Wonder did YC without an idea change the target audience?

No, everyone "without an idea" had plenty of ideas, just hadn't yet settled on one.

Re: Ask PG: Did the "apply to YC without an idea" experiment work?

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much more so than the idea that multiplying 66 by 1.27 would be the key thing in turning something that works into something unmanageable Ever run into an n^2 algorithm?

Out of curiosity, what makes you think that managing YC is n^2? Certainly everyone would need to communicate with you -- that's n. The question is whether or not each YC pair would need to communicate with each other. That is n^2 and seems like an excessively high level of message passing.

Human memory is not linear. The difference between having 10 teams and having to remember their names and their ideas and their challenges and remembering 20 teams is more than a 2x increase in difficulty.

Re: Ask PG: Did the "apply to YC without an idea" experiment work?

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why not find a technical co-founder? have you tried? convincing a technical person to go-in with you will be much simpler than convincing anyone at YC to accept you.

I was in the process of doing that then some things out of my control came up and he left the country

There is more than one technically-capable person out there. It's a good proof-point for your skills as a hustler as well, convincing others on the quality of your idea.

Re: Ask PG: Did the "apply to YC without an idea" experiment work?

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post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

much more so than the idea that multiplying 66 by 1.27 would be the key thing in turning something that works into something unmanageable Ever run into an n^2 algorithm?

Out of curiosity, what makes you think that managing YC is n^2? Certainly everyone would need to communicate with you -- that's n. The question is whether or not each YC pair would need to communicate with each other. That is n^2 and seems like an excessively high level of message passing.

In its then form, every partner had to know what every startup was doing, and the number of partners was a function of the number of startups.

Re: Ask PG: Did the "apply to YC without an idea" experiment work?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Out of curiosity, what makes you think that managing YC is n^2? Certainly everyone would need to communicate with you -- that's n. The question is whether or not each YC pair would need to communicate with each other. That is n^2 and seems like an excessively high level of message passing.

In its then form, every partner had to know what every startup was doing, and the number of partners was a function of the number of startups.

So n log n.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In its then form, every partner had to know what every startup was doing, and the number of partners was a function of the number of startups.

So n log n.

The number of partners you need is not the log of the number of startups. It's more like n/15.
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