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Re: Ask HN: How to deal with someone ripping off your design?

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post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. This is directly using (even hotlinking some assets) the OPs copyrighted materials. FlatUI had 3 icons that were "similar"[1] to icons in LayerVault. There wasn't any clear copying of assets. [1] for some values of similar, including "not similar".

Oh, the hotlinking of assets is murder waiting to happen. Show him whatfor!

Yes, hotlinking assets is exploitable! Someone could really have fun with that for a few weeks.

Re: Ask HN: How to deal with someone ripping off your design?

#52

I'm going to bet that this is a setup for the phishing scam. Random addresses and phone numbers, fake endorsements, blatant design rip-off - it all points rather unambiguously at a quick-and-dirty attempt at creating a believable online presence. It could've been just a designer's "sketch" or a proof of concept for a client if it weren't for two clones. This indicates that this is a redundant setup, with possibly mor…

The secure broker website has already been flagged by my work firewall as a phishing site.

Re: Ask HN: How to deal with someone ripping off your design?

#53

I'm guessing that the traffic from this will alert them pretty soon so either way you'll want to take action quickly Hiroki. Might be fun to hellban them, alter your JS to show visitors nothing when they visit their sites. Won't last for long but if you only do that for visitors with fewer than 3 visits then it'll take them a little while to figure it out.

I'm not sure about the legality of this option, nor the alternative I'd suggest. Instead of hellbanning their site, try redirecting their traffic to your own site.

Re: Ask HN: How to deal with someone ripping off your design?

#54

Add a check to the javascript files for those domains, then have it execute a while(1);. This is semantically the same what Google does with their JSON responses [1] [1] - http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2669690/why-does-google-p...

Nope, it's not the same. Google doesn't check for the domain; Google does this to prevent cross site scripting. (Accessing the JSON as a JavaScript file).

The OP doesn't have a JSON, he has a JavaScript file.

Re: Ask HN: How to deal with someone ripping off your design?

#55
Here is my suggestion:

1. Send a DMCA notice [https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5367936].

2. Blank their page with JavaScript. While it's legal to redirect the traffic to your site (it's YOUR JavaScript and there are no Terms for its use), you'll probably mislead people and make them think that you are the phishing site. Not worth it, in my opinion.

Re: Ask HN: How to deal with someone ripping off your design?

#56

The classic counter-punch to resource linking is to make some of the resource grabs dynamic based on the referrer. I remember one site host who realized someone was using his images for avatars on various forums, and changed the contents to p0rn.

You've got to be really careful when doing something like this. Basing the decision to display porn to users based on the value of the referrer (or any technical factor for that matter) is asking for trouble. Valid visitors' browsers should send your site as the referrer, but what if your check fails and a legitimate users is shown porn instead? What if you introduce a bug that causes many, or all, of your users to see porn instead of the intended content?

Serving porn from a business oriented domain is never an option, IMO.

It sucks when someone rips off your content, but you have to carefully evaluate the real impact it has on your business, not just the emotional impact that it has on your sense of ownership.

Re: Ask HN: How to deal with someone ripping off your design?

#57

I notice they're using eBay, AutoTrader and Gumtree logos. Don't know about the other two, but have known AutoTrader come down like a ton of bricks on muppets who abuse their brand - dob 'em in! (Although if they are as shady as they look, there may not be an entity to come down like a ton of bricks on - this looks like fraud to me)

More brand abuse here: http://secure-broker-online.eu/company The FSA, RBS and Wells Fargo might want to be aware of this, too.

CEO of Auto Trader might have something to say too http://secure-broker-online.eu/escrow-process

Re: Ask HN: How to deal with someone ripping off your design?

#58
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It's actually quite easy: Find their host and, if they're in the US, issue a DMCA notification: $ dig resinternationalgroup.com ;; ANSWER SECTION: resinternationalgroup.com. 18788 IN A 66.206.15.100 $ dig -x 66.206.15.100 ;; ANSWER SECTION: 100.15.206.66.in-addr.arpa. 3600 IN PTR cpanel.siteplot.com. Send the email over to support@siteplot.com. If that doesn't work, go up to their datacenter: $ whois 66.206.15.100 ..…

They seems to be in Europe though... what happens in that case?

It's still a copyright violation; the DMCA, as mentioned above, is (iirc) more related to sharing of copyrighted materials on websites that host user-generated content (such as copyrighted videos on youtube or copyrighted visuals or code on github). The DMCA doesn't apply or need to be mentioned here, as the pre-DMCA copyright laws already cover this.

Re: Ask HN: How to deal with someone ripping off your design?

#59

The classic counter-punch to resource linking is to make some of the resource grabs dynamic based on the referrer. I remember one site host who realized someone was using his images for avatars on various forums, and changed the contents to p0rn.

The less offensive form of this kind of hotlinking prevention is to provide a small-sized image with the URL of the website it was taken from, or a hotlinking notification, not pr0n unless you want to offend unsuspecting visitors. The person that hotlinks an image for usage as a forum avatar won't even realize it most of the times because his browser cache kicks in.

Re: Ask HN: How to deal with someone ripping off your design?

#60

The classic counter-punch to resource linking is to make some of the resource grabs dynamic based on the referrer. I remember one site host who realized someone was using his images for avatars on various forums, and changed the contents to p0rn.

You've got to be really careful when doing something like this. Basing the decision to display porn to users based on the value of the referrer (or any technical factor for that matter) is asking for trouble. Valid visitors' browsers should send your site as the referrer, but what if your check fails and a legitimate users is shown porn instead? What if you introduce a bug that causes many, or all, of your users to s…

I agree, doesn't have to be p0rn; just the example I remember.
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