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Reinventing the Airline Industry

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Re: Reinventing the Airline Industry

#51

"Remov[e] silly things like entertainment controls on your arm rest. These frequently activate the screen when your trying to sleep. Bring it all to the touch screen interface." Nooooo! Good grief has he really never had someone repeatedly jabbing the touch screen on the back of his seat? Granted that could be partially mitigated with better touch screens, but some people still jab at iPads.

Sill, the embedded arm rest controls must be the most frustrating and antiquated "solution" to this problem. Put a touch pad on the armrest with a retractable cover, or something — anything but the idiotic circa 80s atari controller on the retractible vacuum cleaner cord!

Re: Reinventing the Airline Industry

#52
post #50

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Disincentivizing air travel? Do we have a viable alternative to get me from New York to London in less than 5 days?

There are more important things in the world than keeping your current ticket price when flying from New York to London.

I'm all for paying more in the interest of environmental protection, but again: is there a viable alternative?

Is reversing the democratization of international travel, which I would argue has been, proportionally, much more of a force for good economically and socially than it has been an instrument of environmental destruction, really the best answer we've got?

Re: Reinventing the Airline Industry

#53
The suggestion "Containerize the airline industry" is wrong on so many levels. First of all every air port in the world would have to install new equipment. That would take money and time. Secondly every airline would have to buy new planes. Thirdly it ignores the reality that container ships are bot like airplanes. Airplanes have ventilation, electronics and structural requirements that ships don't have.

Re: Reinventing the Airline Industry

#54
Honestly, even with a more comfortable in-air experience and a streamlined check-in and check-out process, the fact is that air travel will always involve being crammed inside an airtight container with a few hundred other people coping with boredom, cramped muscles, and screaming babies.

For me the best thing solution is to avoid it all.

I'm not saying "stop flying" I'm saying: knock me unconscious until I reach my destination! Then I don't have to worry about the annoying passenger next to me, the crappy food, the primitive climate control, the foggy, greasy screen on the buggy entertainment system, the harassed and overworked flight attendants, that smell coming out of the washroom, whether my overhead luggage is getting crushed by the massive duty free bag someone jammed on top of it, etc. etc. etc.

Bring on the hibernation chambers!

Re: Reinventing the Airline Industry

#55
What about the huge cost of keeping a fleet of planes modern? It must be difficult to run an airline, with petrol prices varying and customers expecting rock-bottom fares.

One thing that interests me is the idea that battery and capacitor technology will improve enough that kerosene powered planes will become obsolete.

Re: Reinventing the Airline Industry

#56
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Regarding containerizing passenger space: Rather than having it as a container, what about an open space that is inserted rather than becoming part of the external structure? So, seating would be arranged on a completely open, flat structure; a long version of this: http://image.made-in-china.com/2f0j00PeRaHYmFgBgL/Retractabl... Then, this is inserted into an aeroplane, in a manner similar to what you see here: http:…

I was thinking the exact same thing. I was envisioning a "pod" system that you could have about 10 rows which could hold about 40 to 80 passengers each. Each pod would be a cylinder that could be delivered to the aircraft on the tarmac upon boarding. On disembarking they would be delivered to the jet bridge in a sort of star arrangement where you could have 3 to 4 pods attached at any given time. This system would be…

The problem with a pod system is weight and complexity. Generally speaking, you'd need to create at least two pressure vessels (main cabin, and cockpit), which would have to be joined by a hermetically sealed passage.

Between the inner pod, and the outer skin, you'd need to make sure that doors would work in almost any condition. Sure, you can blow the bolts holding the tail on and use parachutes to make the pod descend, though without the pilots since they're in a separate pressure vessel. But what if there's a fire when the plane is on the ground? Parachutes won't work in that situation, and neither would ejection rockets (unless you want to crush the passenger's spines by launching a multi-ton pod high enough for parachutes to deploy).

The main problem facing airlines is simple. How to pack in as many people as possible onto a flight in order to cover it's costs (airport fees, fuel, food, wages, etc.). More people who can cover the flight's costs means more profit for the airline, or lower costs for the passengers.

The real question with the Pod idea is this. Either way people have to board through a door and go to their seats, so that remains the same. But consider this, would people have to board a pod immediately at the gate, or would they wait in a lounge until the plane arrives? Because if they board the pod immediately, it may save time, but passengers will be sitting in cramped seats, with only airline food, and the limited toilet facilities available for possibly HOURS (if the plane is delayed or the flight cancelled in the end. Since these passengers are not physically ON the plane, the passengers' rights would be questionable in these situations.

Technically you could also fill out a pod and have it wait in a holding area on the airport tarmac while the plane arrives, freeing up gates for other airlines. But this impacts the airport retail system (restaurants & stores), which all pay rent to airports. If you eliminate passengers waiting in gates, you eliminate the need for retail. You eliminate retail, you make it that airports would increase fees for airline operations at the airport. And in the end, it would impact ticket prices negatively.

Re: Reinventing the Airline Industry

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post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are more important things in the world than keeping your current ticket price when flying from New York to London.

I'm all for paying more in the interest of environmental protection, but again: is there a viable alternative? Is reversing the democratization of international travel, which I would argue has been, proportionally, much more of a force for good economically and socially than it has been an instrument of environmental destruction, really the best answer we've got?

Seeing the world is well possible without airplanes if you take out the 5 day trip length! Going for short trips every now and then is very wasteful.

But yes, cutting down on flying will have downsides. As will many other compromises we must do to get CO2 down.

Re: Reinventing the Airline Industry

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Another problem in the airline industry is pricing stability. current prices have been climbing over the last few years and pricing has always been confusing. I think there are several possible algorithm and economic models that could be leveraged to solve pricing on the fuel side, and on the consumer ticket side. Stable prices means that consumers and airlines can both plan better. For consumers, it means confidence…

What looks confusing has a lot of science and math backing it up. The procedure is known as yield management ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yield_management#Airlines ) and the idea behind it is selling as many seats on a plane as expensively as possible. Since nothing is going stale quicker then unsold airline seat when the doors close they rather sell you a seat for 200$ instead of asking 2K and having an unsold sea…

This is kinda my point the pricing is based on old maximums. Today the pricing could have a consumer centric model priced around arrival performance vs. ticket refund-ability and other sub classes.

Re: Reinventing the Airline Industry

#59
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I've heard that almost the entire flight can be/is automated now, including the landing and that most commercial pilots have to land the planes by hand just so they can keep their skills up. But I doubt the salary of pilots is really such a significant cost for airlines compared to their other expenses, otherwise we'd probably be seeing a push for autonomous aircraft. Also: think of how much the TSA would love autono…

Salaries are not significant for bus drivers, but would be significant for taxi cab drivers. Automated small planes could really revolutionize the sector, especially if we could figure out how to make them fuel efficient and even electric.

Salaries are in fact a dominant expense of bus and rail fleets. In my area, WMATA pays out 78% of operating budget for buses towards personnel, and 72% of operating budget for trains towards personnel. Operating budget does not include capital expenses like rolling stock or infrastructure.
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