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Re: We use Trello.

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Does anyone knows what is Trello business model? I always enjoy seeing "free forever" but, you know, only a few things really are free.

Oh yeah. I had wondered that too. Maybe they will be like dropbox and Evernote in the future. People can pay money to get the premium version with more features and space.

That's not quite what we have in mind, but it's close. Basically, any features that are currently free, stay free. Some new features in the pipe will not be.

Re: We use Trello.

#52

I would love to try using Trello at work. I use it for my own personal projects just to keep track of stuff. We use Jira at work with a slew of plugins on top and our own custom processes, and it's AWFUL. It's complicated, there are different projects with different flows, ticket types, statuses, etc. The way we have it set up right now, you can't even move tickets into/out of a sprint once it's started! I'm not rail…

I use Trello at home and Jira at work. I like both, and rather think they are both pretty intuitive :)

Re: We use Trello.

#53
post #8

Does anyone knows what is Trello business model? I always enjoy seeing "free forever" but, you know, only a few things really are free.

We plan to offer add-on and premium services that might be of use to people who are getting a lot of value out of Trello already. For example you could imagine that large corporations that already have Trello throughout their organization might be happy to pay for centralized administration utilities. (PS I'm the founder of Fog Creek, creator of Trello)

Like many folks I've been burned a number of times when I locked into software that was "free forever". Usually not because the software owner put up a paywall, but because the business was found unsustainable and it was either sold or they pulled the plug.

I love Trello immensely but the "free forever" aspect worries me about trusting it over the longterm. I've tried to turn my clients onto Trello and have been met with the same skepticism over entrusting an entire business workflow to a free product. Just from a trust perspective, it would honestly put my mind at ease to find out it was making a buck somehow...

Re: We use Trello.

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We have been using Trello for about two months and it is amazing how even the non-technical users could now finally "visualize" the project life cycle. Trello is disarmingly simple and like (early) Twitter, does one thing and it does it really well. This leads to users invent all sorts of use cases for it (again like Twitter). Trello, if it becomes wildly popular, can finally pull companies from the "Gantt chart" min…

Trello is great, I feel it will greatly influence teams which require collaboration and status tracking. But the way I see it, a lot of discipline with be required to 'update' it every now and then. Some thing that I felt will always be a problem with any process. Every time a process like this springs up, I get enthusiastic then the enthusiasm wears away. So as far as I'm concerned I still feel nothing really beats…

I have, use, and love my digital note pad, the Asus EeeNote. While it was only sold in China and has since long been discontinued, it is an amazing device for me and tracking my life and my projects. What the device is basically boils down to a Wacom digitizer laid over a black and white screen with a Linux kernel powering the backend (and Qt powering the front-end). While it was still supported, it offered automatic uploads of your files to Evernote, though it has not been updated since Evernote changed their sign-in process so this no longer works. It does have a micro SD card slot and an incredibly old version of Firefox (Firefox 2 I think). Since it is a Wacom tablet, you can rest your hands on the screen all you want, and the screen is textured so it feels almost like writing on paper. It can also be plugged into a PC and act as a Wacom digitizer on your screen for Photoshop, OneNote, or anything else you need to use a pen for.

Unfortunately it was never sold outside of China and was quickly discontinued. Other markets got the Asus PadFone instead, which was more expensive and not nearly as simple as a digital notepad. What you describe (a notebook, with lament over collaboration) could be solved with a well-supported device like the EeeNote. It truly is as flexible and limitlessly creative as a pen and paper [1]. It's a shame Asus never gave it a real try.

[1] http://i.imgur.com/tYQlX1C.jpg

Re: We use Trello.

#55
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I can confidently say we'll never use Trello if we can't host it locally; integrate it into our directory system, back it up and manage upgrades on our own timeline, and have the assurance that it will continue to be accessible even if you as a company are not. It's unfortunate that there's no meeting in the middle.

Some of the planned business features would be able to meet you in the middle, but like Joel said, we have no plans to ever sell a self hosted version. We understand that means some companies' policies will prevent some people from using Trello, but its a tradeoff we made. As an aside, I suspect a few of the companies who, in the past, could "never" use software that wasn't installed on their own systems are probably…

It's not that we have inflexible arbitrary rules, but rather, considered reasoning as to why we don't want to depend on externally hosted services, and sufficient competitors in most spaces that are willing to provide self-hosted products. Companies such as Atlassian even go so far as to provide the source code, as do others, which has allowed us to maintain critical (non-atlassian) services well past the time they were discontinued by their parent company.

Re: We use Trello.

#56
I loved Pivotal Tracker's user story "weight" feature where you couldn't assign more than x points worth of work to your team in a certain iteration, based on past velocity, as it simply wouldn't fit and spill over to the backlog. Is anything like that available in Trello as well? From what I've seen, you have to count the amount of work by hand.

Also, I'm not quite getting the recommended way of "completing" tasks. Archiving just hides them, which makes it hard to go back and analyze how well you did in that iteration. Right now I'm just dumping everything into a "completed" list, although unless you archive everything that came before in there, you have to manually figure out what was completed in this iteration and what in the ones before. Creating separate "completed" lists for each iteration will probably not scale as it will generate dozens of lists you'll have to archive and filter through every time you're looking for something.

Re: We use Trello.

#57
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We plan to offer add-on and premium services that might be of use to people who are getting a lot of value out of Trello already. For example you could imagine that large corporations that already have Trello throughout their organization might be happy to pay for centralized administration utilities. (PS I'm the founder of Fog Creek, creator of Trello)

Like many folks I've been burned a number of times when I locked into software that was "free forever". Usually not because the software owner put up a paywall, but because the business was found unsustainable and it was either sold or they pulled the plug. I love Trello immensely but the "free forever" aspect worries me about trusting it over the longterm. I've tried to turn my clients onto Trello and have been met…

This was my thought too. Perhaps Trello is one of those strange cases where making the product more restrictive (eg. you must pay to create more than 500 cards) would increase the demand for the product.

Re: We use Trello.

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Hi, I’m the guy who wrote the code. Here’s a gist for you: https://gist.github.com/porada/5047435

It looks incredibly cool when rubber band scrolling kicks in. Well done!

Off-topic of the off-topic but can you explain to me what's cool about it? I'm not a web developer so all I see is that the image doesn't scroll off but appears to shrink. Genuinely (not a troll), can't think why that's useful though ...

Re: We use Trello.

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post #58
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It looks incredibly cool when rubber band scrolling kicks in. Well done!

Off-topic of the off-topic but can you explain to me what's cool about it? I'm not a web developer so all I see is that the image doesn't scroll off but appears to shrink. Genuinely (not a troll), can't think why that's useful though ...

I don't think it's useful in a technical sense, but it did catch my eye so much that I scrolled up and down a few times to watch it. Take that and stick it on a client demo and you might help secure another sale.

Re: We use Trello.

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post #18

We have been using Trello for about two months and it is amazing how even the non-technical users could now finally "visualize" the project life cycle. Trello is disarmingly simple and like (early) Twitter, does one thing and it does it really well. This leads to users invent all sorts of use cases for it (again like Twitter). Trello, if it becomes wildly popular, can finally pull companies from the "Gantt chart" min…

> it is amazing how even the non-technical users could now finally "visualize" the project life cycle.

We sell tailor made wedding dresses online. We use Trello to control all steps of the order-to-delivery process. Our pre-sales and post-sales teams share the same cards organized by bride name.

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