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Instrumachines and the Evolution of Electronic Music Performance

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Re: Instrumachines and the Evolution of Electronic Music Performance

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Sure. Its actually going backwards. Back to a focus on the performer as a simple human who does feats, macho virtuosity and does crowd conscious manipulations. What electronic music opened up is much larger. Music is internal, electric (like our central nervous systems) and cosmic. The focus is in the body and mind of the people experiencing it. Its in the speakers and on the dance floor. The composer disappears, the…

> Jungle at its peak twisted the mind with intricate rhythms that really blew minds. You can't just throw something like that out there and not make recommendations ;) I gotta admit, I can't stand about 98% of EDM, but some small amount of it actually is really good.

for virtuosity and density there's Remarc Thunderclap:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zS3hPo81BKw

for pure beauty, Photek The Rain:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYsY4wYMQe8

be sure to sit back and listen and wait for the bass to drop ;)

some beautiful mind juggling from Remarc:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1I09dIBsU80

listen to that and try to figure out where your attention is focused. that's not something that fingers do in real time, its like hitting the hyperspace button and writing beats on more than one dimension at the same time. that's tracker music. the software looks like VIM.

Sabar drumming from Senegal:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWd8n1kK0F0

try to figure out how those beats and changes are structured. Its very precise. They count interesting number series and there are polyrhythms that are very hard to notate in western music.

Re: Instrumachines and the Evolution of Electronic Music Performance

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Hey guys, I wrote this thing. And I know there must be disagreements with the arguments here. Bring it on!

Sure. Its actually going backwards. Back to a focus on the performer as a simple human who does feats, macho virtuosity and does crowd conscious manipulations. What electronic music opened up is much larger. Music is internal, electric (like our central nervous systems) and cosmic. The focus is in the body and mind of the people experiencing it. Its in the speakers and on the dance floor. The composer disappears, the…

I gotta say, I agree with this post. Grandstanding != musical In fact it is regressive. It is actually theater disguised as music.

Re: Instrumachines and the Evolution of Electronic Music Performance

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I am not a musician and I don't keep up with production methods too closely, but this method of "load a bunch of loops into your devices, trigger them in interesting manners" sounds almost EXACTLY like what I've read about the way Orbital has been working since somewhere in the early 2000s.

I think the only difference is that the price of these kinds of looping tools has dropped precipitously, so there's more people fooling with them.

(And I am not trying to disrespect the musicianship of people doing this. I'm just questioning it being a NEW THING.)

Re: Instrumachines and the Evolution of Electronic Music Performance

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Controllerism has been around for awhile. I discovered it via Moldover - http://www.youtube.com/user/moldover Before him, it was called "live pa"

thanks for clearing that up. Controllerism does not seem to be all that new to me.

'electronic dance music' does not seem to be all that new to me. I'm amused by the idea that something popular in Europe for decades which originated in US alternative cultures is only now catching on in US mainstream culture.

Re: Instrumachines and the Evolution of Electronic Music Performance

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I guess I'm getting old, but the demo both looks and sounds like a man virtuoustically playing a pair of typewriters.

More seriously, I think this is cool, but a little overblown in someways, we've technically been able to do this kind of performance (using sliced up digital samples) for a very very long time -- decades. Digital sample machines, of many kinds of forms have been used in live shows for a long time. Think of your favorite 80's new wave band and they probably had live shows with digital synth triggering samples off of a keyboard.

I think this is more of a cultural shift than any kind of technological shift, but interesting nonetheless. The methods of playing these things is much more akin to being a drummer or an old school DJ scratchoff than anything else. But just like complaints about all modern music being overcompressed, these guys have to work off of only two performance vectors: sick beats and cool samples. There's no dynamics in the performance or playing with tonality. Glissando, spicatto, breath control, tonguing, etc. are all right out the window.

Music has been reduced to learning and playback a la guitar hero. A generation of musicians, messing around with samples from music they themselves could never perform.

We talk a lot about technology we no longer have the means to make and knowledge lost in fires and wars and natural decay, and toy with that idea in sci-fi and real life. However, today we certainly have a much greater pantheon of fantastic accomplishments in these areas.

But I wonder if we should consider a similar phenomenon with culture and cultural skills? We may be entering a time were previous cultural knowledge, like how to play piano virtuostically is lost, exchanged with how to play a sampler at similar high levels of skill. We may have lost the means to transmit that culture forward to future generations, but outside of a vague sense of loss, nobody really cares because what we have now is also vast and complex and has its own set of interesting skills that need to transmit forward.

Is this the cultural equivalent of cleaning out the memetic closet to make room for new stuff?

Re: Instrumachines and the Evolution of Electronic Music Performance

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I guess I'm getting old, but the demo both looks and sounds like a man virtuoustically playing a pair of typewriters. More seriously, I think this is cool, but a little overblown in someways, we've technically been able to do this kind of performance (using sliced up digital samples) for a very very long time -- decades. Digital sample machines, of many kinds of forms have been used in live shows for a long time. Thi…

Totally with you up until the lost culture thing. More people know how to play the piano virtuostically than ever. Culture is expanding and being recorded permanently in the digital world. How are we losing it?

It reminds me of what the blue-man-group does. It's novel, a few people make a lot of money doing it, but it's not the next electric guitar by any stretch.

I think one of the core attributes of EDM is that it is performed by machines. The MPC-live thing seems like an effort to step backwards just to have something to do on stage. I'd rather listen to someone mix a 808/909/303 live. The subtle timing and tuning shifts they make are a thing of beauty (and laptops don't do this). But that's probably just my preference for techno over hip-hop/dubstep coming through.

Anyway, good article regardless.

Re: Instrumachines and the Evolution of Electronic Music Performance

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I am not a musician and I don't keep up with production methods too closely, but this method of "load a bunch of loops into your devices, trigger them in interesting manners" sounds almost EXACTLY like what I've read about the way Orbital has been working since somewhere in the early 2000s. I think the only difference is that the price of these kinds of looping tools has dropped precipitously, so there's more people…

Not a new thing at all, you're right.

Sidenote, totally trivial, but in case you care: Orbital only recently (past 5 years) moved to Ableton as a control hub, but still use a ton of outboard gear. Before that they were running the rig off Alesis MMT-8s, and famous for doing so. Those would trigger loops, yes, but they would trigger those loops in samplers, which is why most orbital tracks loops are limited to starting, stopping, looping, and getting cut up a tiny bit, not much more. The MMT-8s are essentially step sequence loopers and arrangers, kind of the most frustrating form of what the MPC-style offers. But since they were masters of them, there was no reason to switch until something better (Ableton) came along.

Re: Instrumachines and the Evolution of Electronic Music Performance

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

thanks for clearing that up. Controllerism does not seem to be all that new to me.

'electronic dance music' does not seem to be all that new to me. I'm amused by the idea that something popular in Europe for decades which originated in US alternative cultures is only now catching on in US mainstream culture.

What's even more amusing is that sentiment ("electronic music is now catching on") finds its way up every decade.

  80s -> Disco & House -> Pop, New Wave    
  90s -> House -> Pop    
  00s -> Electro & DnB -> Pop, Hiphop    
  10s -> Dubstep -> Pop, Hiphop
That's just a crappy sketch but i'm sure someone could flesh it out further. The reality is that it's a continuum, things go in and out of style, what's popular changes, the audience changes, but the music never really goes away, we/you/i just don't know about it. Dubstep is simply the hair metal (80s), grunge (90s) of the times, not a statement about electronic music's popularity or unpopularity.

Re: Instrumachines and the Evolution of Electronic Music Performance

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I guess I'm getting old, but the demo both looks and sounds like a man virtuoustically playing a pair of typewriters. More seriously, I think this is cool, but a little overblown in someways, we've technically been able to do this kind of performance (using sliced up digital samples) for a very very long time -- decades. Digital sample machines, of many kinds of forms have been used in live shows for a long time. Thi…

Totally with you up until the lost culture thing. More people know how to play the piano virtuostically than ever. Culture is expanding and being recorded permanently in the digital world. How are we losing it? It reminds me of what the blue-man-group does. It's novel, a few people make a lot of money doing it, but it's not the next electric guitar by any stretch. I think one of the core attributes of EDM is that it…

Yeah the 303 is a really interesting example, it offered several entirely interesting performance vectors, almost none of which were tied to actually playing the notes. Lots of people I know who used to do great 303 stuff barely even knew what the letter notes along the keyboard were. But the little knobs at the top gave them tons of ways to express the music that really aren't typical in traditional musical performance. (I'd have killed to have a freq cutoff and resonance cut off when I was studying classical violin).

Re: Instrumachines and the Evolution of Electronic Music Performance

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post #55

I guess I'm getting old, but the demo both looks and sounds like a man virtuoustically playing a pair of typewriters. More seriously, I think this is cool, but a little overblown in someways, we've technically been able to do this kind of performance (using sliced up digital samples) for a very very long time -- decades. Digital sample machines, of many kinds of forms have been used in live shows for a long time. Thi…

"Is this the cultural equivalent of cleaning out the memetic closet to make room for new stuff?" To tell you the truth, yes. I make a few rhetorical leaps to get an argument across. I realize Araabmuzik is hardly the first midi controllist ever, he's but a bump in a continuum.

I disagree though with the 2 vectors thing. There's a whole lot of things you can do with tonality with machines. And as for "Glissando, spicatto.." etc, well, I personally think the human voice will be the one instrument that will always be "in".

Point being, I'm most excited to see all the different vectors these machines invent.

And sure, technically we've been able to do this for decades, but it's usually been a hidden process in the studio. It's the crossover to mainstream cultural acceptance and respectibility as a performance instrument. When hardware instrumenalists move tickets, that's what's interesting to me.

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