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U.S. CEO to France: ‘How Stupid Do You Think We Are?’

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Re: U.S. CEO to France: ‘How Stupid Do You Think We Are?’

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Wow, what a total jerk. Regardless of the differences between US, Chinese, Indian and French work ethics the least you could do as a CEO is to learn how to write a polite refusal. When you don't have to insult someone it is probably better not to. Because those pesky French just might publish your less than elegant letters, your stockholders might read those letters and could very well think: "This guy runs the compa…

I like people who tell it like they see it. Sure, he could tone it down a bit, but I would prefer he does not. When you guard your words and hold back how you really feel, you are not doing anyone any favors. Saying nice, comforting things to them (while they fail and people lose their jobs) would be a greater injustice than being honest and frank. I bet no one else has ever spoken that directly about the matter. Som…

Sure, but this is not in any way productive.

Another thing that bugs me is the hypocritical stance of suing Chinese tire manufacturers and then turning around and manufacturing in China.

If you do something like this - it's a pretty drastic departure from good form - there ought to be a reason for it, some kind of upside to balance the obvious downsides.

Re: U.S. CEO to France: ‘How Stupid Do You Think We Are?’

#52
post #23

I have an idea that the differences in work ethic across Europe may be partly to do with climate and partly to do with language. In France, the verb 'work' is travailler . Traditionally this meant literally to toil, a chore, an obligation. In Germany, the word werken means to build, create, do. The German word more aligned with travailler is arbeit. This lack of correlation in the word work I believe may explain the…

> In Germany, the word werk means to build, create, do. 'Werk' is a noun being either a factory or a creation of an artist. But to work still means 'arbeiten' in German. 'werken' in the sense of 'to work' is dutch. Maybe you mean this? Other than that: I can tell you that my German colleagues aren't really more motivated or hardworking than my French, English or Polish colleagues. That hard working German stereotype…

In Dutch we also have 'arbeid'.

Re: U.S. CEO to France: ‘How Stupid Do You Think We Are?’

#53
post #3

I don't get why you'd ever send a letter like this (except anonymously, or if you were a politician). There is no upside beyond just "Sorry, we're not interested -- our new investments are focused on Asia, where demand for tires is growing 200%/yr. Sincerely, CEO." There is downside -- you might provoke some tariffs in EU/France, or disinvestment from the pension fund, or whatever.

Perhaps he just wants high fives from like minded CEOs. Getting political jabs in when they can seems popular with biz guys with too much time on their hands. It's the executive version of "doing it for the lulz."

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#54
post #28
post #19

The letter should include a p.s.: "We don't have a public relations department and I am marginally literate."

He's marginally literate because...?

His letter shows the classic signs of someone uncomfortable expressing himself in words. Reading his letter is like watching someone ice skate for the first time -- all the expected motions are there, but without any familiarity or sense of style.

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#56
post #46

What's amusing about the letter is that it shows how even executives buy into cultural stereotypes to justify their activities. The substance of the letter is this: we'd rather buy an Indian or Chinese tire company to get the government subsidies and take advantage of the low cost of labor. The stuff about French workers only working three hours a day is fluff, and on top of that almost certainly exaggerated out of c…

Very good comment. This open letter is copied in every right wing economic blogs as a demonstration that unions are killing companies, when really no OECD country can compete with China or India for low wages.

The big public rant about how bad things are in the factory looks just like a large media spin to justify the closure of the factory.

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#57
post #23

I have an idea that the differences in work ethic across Europe may be partly to do with climate and partly to do with language. In France, the verb 'work' is travailler . Traditionally this meant literally to toil, a chore, an obligation. In Germany, the word werken means to build, create, do. The German word more aligned with travailler is arbeit. This lack of correlation in the word work I believe may explain the…

Another theory often floated is the cultural history of Protestants vs Catholics. http://www2.warwick.ac.uk/newsandevents/pressreleases/south_...

It's the same thing over and over. When people like two things, they tend to want to see connections between them. Max Weber liked protestantism and capitalism, so he wrote "The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism". iuguy likes Northen Europe and hard work, so he posted that collection of stereotypes. Redditors like atheism and science, and to hear them tell it, the two things are basically one and the same.

It's just a very basic psychological mechanism of likes and dislikes, prejudice and favoritism, but masquerading as something intellectual.

Re: U.S. CEO to France: ‘How Stupid Do You Think We Are?’

#58
post #23

I have an idea that the differences in work ethic across Europe may be partly to do with climate and partly to do with language. In France, the verb 'work' is travailler . Traditionally this meant literally to toil, a chore, an obligation. In Germany, the word werken means to build, create, do. The German word more aligned with travailler is arbeit. This lack of correlation in the word work I believe may explain the…

Yes, you're most likely wrong. France is a hard working country. It's not where it is today just because there is an Eiffel tower and great bread. I realize that bashing France is always enjoyable but although its going downhill it's still one of the richest and most powerful countries in the world. People have more holidays but work for longer hours. One example of one factory doesn't say much about the country as a…

> France is a hard working country. It's not where it is today just because there is an Eiffel tower and great bread.

I'm not saying that it isn't. Sorry, I was commenting on etymological and cultural differences. Most of the French people I've worked with have a very different view of work compared to most of the British and German people I've worked with. My thoughts on this are that it's cultural, and that the etymology may correlate with this.

Re: U.S. CEO to France: ‘How Stupid Do You Think We Are?’

#59
post #23

I have an idea that the differences in work ethic across Europe may be partly to do with climate and partly to do with language. In France, the verb 'work' is travailler . Traditionally this meant literally to toil, a chore, an obligation. In Germany, the word werken means to build, create, do. The German word more aligned with travailler is arbeit. This lack of correlation in the word work I believe may explain the…

> In Germany, the word werk means to build, create, do. 'Werk' is a noun being either a factory or a creation of an artist. But to work still means 'arbeiten' in German. 'werken' in the sense of 'to work' is dutch. Maybe you mean this? Other than that: I can tell you that my German colleagues aren't really more motivated or hardworking than my French, English or Polish colleagues. That hard working German stereotype…

Sorry, I was thinking of werken (this is the bit where you tell me I'm wrong here too - sorry, I only studied German in high school which was a long time ago).

Re: U.S. CEO to France: ‘How Stupid Do You Think We Are?’

#60
post #23

I have an idea that the differences in work ethic across Europe may be partly to do with climate and partly to do with language. In France, the verb 'work' is travailler . Traditionally this meant literally to toil, a chore, an obligation. In Germany, the word werken means to build, create, do. The German word more aligned with travailler is arbeit. This lack of correlation in the word work I believe may explain the…

Another theory often floated is the cultural history of Protestants vs Catholics. http://www2.warwick.ac.uk/newsandevents/pressreleases/south_...

I've read about that, and to be fair religion has a major cultural impact but I'm not sure how significant it all is in the grand scheme of things (given changes in religion over the years, reformations etc.).
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