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Re: HipChat releases native app for Mac

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I know people are happy as the infamous GIF bug is fixed, but seriously this is one of the worst 'beta' apps I have tried. This mac app has been in development for ages, then been in closed beta and now finally it's available to everyone to try. Our team just switched to the beta native app, and already found several critical bugs with the app within minutes. Sorry guys, this is really poorly put together and the num…

Philosophical question: Is it really a bad "beta", or has your preconceived notion on what a "beta" should be been radically altered by the sheer number of startups that throw the word around now? Gmail was in "beta" for about a million years, and was incredibly stable for most of that. I think it has become the allegorical metric these days. But I remember back in the late 90's and early 2000's when making the choic…

Agreed, that's some serious melodrama thrown at people who are just looking for help testing their app that's not ready for general release. Big deal.

Re: HipChat releases native app for Mac

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The account manager at my company takes offense to this. Sorry, but even "nontechnical" people have setup mIRC when they were 14.

I'm sorry but I'd classify quite a few of my peers as non-technical and even as 20-somethings they don't even know what IRC is.

Some of my technical peers don't have the slightest idea what IRC is (23, 25 and 26 year olds, doing software development for a living)

Re: HipChat releases native app for Mac

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And so you have set up Nagios and whatever to always include the appropriate recipients in the messages? Where do you centralize the information about who should be @-mentioned? Edit: Seems like a lot of noise if there are a lot of recipients (some of our apps or libs have 8+ people).

We dont do that at all, though I'm 90% sure the hipchat API supports that. What I meant was, when a team member wants to contact me personally, they put @pbiggar in front, and Hipchat will give me a notification for that, but not all the other messages.

Yes, Campfire likes that, too. I'm talking about automated messages, though.

What I'd like is to have a list of project names I am interested in, let the bots use the project names in their messages, and then have the client ping me when something interesting is mentioned.

Propane has custom mention support where you can enter a bunch of strings, but it doesn't really work.

Re: HipChat releases native app for Mac

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The cost to setting up and maintaining your own server and emulating many of the more modern HipChat features (drag+drop file sharing, archived/searchable history, mobile push notifications) is not trivial. Most companies find it far cheaper to spend money on a service than roll their own in house (see also: GitHub, UserVoice, hosted WordPress, etc). Also, nontechnical people are often not very comfortable using IRC/…

The account manager at my company takes offense to this. Sorry, but even "nontechnical" people have setup mIRC when they were 14.

HipChat is more than an IRC server - it's a fully searchable web-based chat archival system, as well as a file transmission and sharing app backed by S3. It's also fully mobile-compatible and will do proper message routing to multiple devices owned by the same user, as well as temporary message caching/retry if your device is unreachable when a message is sent. etc etc. The list goes on.

None of it impossible to replicate in-house, but I dare a non-technical person to replicate HipChat's stack.

Re: HipChat releases native app for Mac

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What kind of bugs have you found?

There's a difference between a new beta and an app that has been in closed beta for months already and only today has been made available to the public. Just because it's 'beta' doesn't mean there should be obvious trivial bugs present. Just to run off a few issues we found within literally minutes of using the app: 1. Resizing window to a small size then making it large again causes the entire chat view to become ve…

++ on the notifications. my biggest beef with hipchat is it will send emails of conversations as i am having the conversations. email notifications when I am away is nice, kind of annoying when you are actively typing in the window.

Re: HipChat releases native app for Mac

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We send all these messages into hipchat. I have it set so I don't get notified for messages, only for messages directed to me (using "@pbiggar")

And so you have set up Nagios and whatever to always include the appropriate recipients in the messages? Where do you centralize the information about who should be @-mentioned? Edit: Seems like a lot of noise if there are a lot of recipients (some of our apps or libs have 8+ people).

HipChat has the concept of a "notify" flag for every message you send via the API.

Notified messages make a ding sound in chat, flash the task bar, etc.

For my HipChat setup, build logs are silent (and don't disturb anyone), but a notification that a deployment failed has the "notify" flag set to gain everyone's attention.

Re: HipChat releases native app for Mac

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And so you have set up Nagios and whatever to always include the appropriate recipients in the messages? Where do you centralize the information about who should be @-mentioned? Edit: Seems like a lot of noise if there are a lot of recipients (some of our apps or libs have 8+ people).

HipChat has the concept of a "notify" flag for every message you send via the API. Notified messages make a ding sound in chat, flash the task bar, etc. For my HipChat setup, build logs are silent (and don't disturb anyone), but a notification that a deployment failed has the "notify" flag set to gain everyone's attention.

Sure, I get that. But what if a deployment failed for an app that you are not interested in (because you're not working on it) and don't want notification about it?

Re: HipChat releases native app for Mac

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One major difference is that it maintains persistent state - so when I log back in I see all the history and conversations from when I was logged out.

I've never really had a thorough introduction to IRC. Is it correct to assume that it's 100% ephemeral, that all conversations, questions, answers are gone when you log out? If that's the case, I'm puzzled as to why it would maintain so much traction when the record of communication can be so valuable (e.g. people searching the log vs asking a question that has been answered many times... )

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Re: HipChat releases native app for Mac

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The account manager at my company takes offense to this. Sorry, but even "nontechnical" people have setup mIRC when they were 14.

HipChat is more than an IRC server - it's a fully searchable web-based chat archival system, as well as a file transmission and sharing app backed by S3. It's also fully mobile-compatible and will do proper message routing to multiple devices owned by the same user, as well as temporary message caching/retry if your device is unreachable when a message is sent. etc etc. The list goes on. None of it impossible to repl…

at that point you might as well get google apps for business.

Re: HipChat releases native app for Mac

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The account manager at my company takes offense to this. Sorry, but even "nontechnical" people have setup mIRC when they were 14.

HipChat is more than an IRC server - it's a fully searchable web-based chat archival system, as well as a file transmission and sharing app backed by S3. It's also fully mobile-compatible and will do proper message routing to multiple devices owned by the same user, as well as temporary message caching/retry if your device is unreachable when a message is sent. etc etc. The list goes on. None of it impossible to repl…

Isn't the main purpose of HipChat to interface with Jira and the rest of the Atlassian stack? That's the real win.
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