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WebKit is the jQuery of Browser Engines

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Re: WebKit is the jQuery of Browser Engines

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"I don’t think anyone can successfully argue that Chome/Chromium isn’t a better browser than Safari [...]" That sounds like Chrome was somehow superior to Safari. Chrome has some nice features that Safari lacks (and vice versa) but from browser engine perspective they are definitely on par.

That stuck out for me as well, I could argue that Chrome isn't a better browser than Safari for me, but functionally they're both using WebKit so they render sites identically in most cases.

Re: WebKit is the jQuery of Browser Engines

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Well, don't provide a test like "you'll be in the hospital by #20" if you haven't vetted the results of it first. My personal advocacy for the Closure Tools does not discredit my views on other tools, and I'm hoping this ad hominem nonsense doesn't fly in such a forum. Quite a few people come into the IRC channel and are using the Closure Compiler with jQuery and I don't give them shit. I take no issue with you using…

you're right in that I should have checked first, and really if you think about it it's no surprise that YouTube, Yahoo, Google etc are using their own tools. That does not detract from the point that jQuery has massive, ridiculous mind share and completely dominates the web though. Your point about it being impossible to build a gmail style app in jQuery is extremely dubious. There are an awful lot of complicated JS…

You seriously underestimate the complexity of Gmail. It may well be the most complex JavaScript application in existence with an appreciable user base.

Re: WebKit is the jQuery of Browser Engines

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I don't disagree but I also see it more as WebKit as the "Linux kernel" of browser engines. Safari and Chrome both use WebKit but are very different in what they offer.. so they're like the Ubuntu and RedHat.

Is it a bad thing that AIX and Solaris fell by the wayside in a rush to Linux? I don't think so. So neither should adopting WebKit as a sort of common kernel in browsers, IMHO. But that's all it is.. MHO ;-)

Re: WebKit is the jQuery of Browser Engines

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post #43

"I don’t think anyone can successfully argue that Chome/Chromium isn’t a better browser than Safari [...]" That sounds like Chrome was somehow superior to Safari. Chrome has some nice features that Safari lacks (and vice versa) but from browser engine perspective they are definitely on par.

That stuck out for me as well, I could argue that Chrome isn't a better browser than Safari for me , but functionally they're both using WebKit so they render sites identically in most cases.

Except when it comes to the JavaScript engine. Safari's JS engine is the slowest out of Chrome/Firefox/Safari: http://arewefastyet.com/

Re: WebKit is the jQuery of Browser Engines

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Are there better JavaScript libraries than jQuery at certain things? Absolutely -- look to Backbone, Angular, Meteor, etc. etc. Are they better than jQuery at doing DOM manipulation? I think that's an easy argument simply by looking at the numbers: http://trends.builtwith.com/javascript/jQuery jQuery or WebKit being dominant platforms doesn't requite that innovation stop, it gives innovation the ability to explode: W…

Backbone, Angular, Meteor etc etc ALL use jQuery!

Wrong. At least Angular JS brings its own jQuery-like functions and does not depend on jQuery by itself.

Re: WebKit is the jQuery of Browser Engines

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In the case of JavaScript libraries virtually everyone has standardized upon jQuery at this point. This guy really lives on his own planet. Maybe most websites that only need to add a small piece of JS functionality are using jQuery, but I seriously doubt that "virtually everyone" writing large JS projects is using jQuery. Google Closure Tools, Sencha/ExtJS, and MooTools remain quite popular, and a host of developers…

Someone's living on a different planet, but it ain't him.

Re: WebKit is the jQuery of Browser Engines

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post #43

"I don’t think anyone can successfully argue that Chome/Chromium isn’t a better browser than Safari [...]" That sounds like Chrome was somehow superior to Safari. Chrome has some nice features that Safari lacks (and vice versa) but from browser engine perspective they are definitely on par.

That stuck out for me as well, I could argue that Chrome isn't a better browser than Safari for me , but functionally they're both using WebKit so they render sites identically in most cases.

Aside from JS performance, I'd argue that Chome's rapid updates make it a better browser. Safari as at best months old.

Re: WebKit is the jQuery of Browser Engines

#59

I don't disagree but I also see it more as WebKit as the "Linux kernel" of browser engines. Safari and Chrome both use WebKit but are very different in what they offer.. so they're like the Ubuntu and RedHat. Is it a bad thing that AIX and Solaris fell by the wayside in a rush to Linux? I don't think so. So neither should adopting WebKit as a sort of common kernel in browsers, IMHO. But that's all it is.. MHO ;-)

But Linux isn't even close to being the only kernel being worked on. Neither absolutely nor from a marketshare perspective.

Re: WebKit is the jQuery of Browser Engines

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post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That stuck out for me as well, I could argue that Chrome isn't a better browser than Safari for me , but functionally they're both using WebKit so they render sites identically in most cases.

Except when it comes to the JavaScript engine. Safari's JS engine is the slowest out of Chrome/Firefox/Safari: http://arewefastyet.com/

I'd still argue that Chrome isn't a better browser for me, irregardless of JS processing speed.
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