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Re: Kim Dotcom’s Mega Opens For Early-Access Users

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While domains are unique, how does it help Prada, Tiffany's, etc? It makes no difference whether the copy-cats are selling rip-offs marked "tiffanys.com" out of a cart. There is also more to trademark that just protecting marks. Trademark protects many aspects of the brand (see: trade dress, dilution, tarnishment, etc). Companies spend a lot of money advertising because brands are valuable, and trademark basically pr…

Yeah, I understand the value of a brand. I was thinking that, without trademark, there could still be ways to ascertain the authenticity of a product. For example, tiffanys.com could list their physical stores on their website. A fake store wouldn't fool the neighborhood for long enough to be worth the effort.

Ever go to a mall and see all those little carts selling things? You think people go online to verify whether those carts are selling the real deal? What about products purchased online through Amazon, Zappo, etc?

Also, there is a whole world of non point of sale branding. When you give a gift, you pony up for a real Kate Spade bag instead of a perfect knock-off (which are probably made in the same Chinese factory!) You might get those awful D&G glasses with the obvious branding instead of a perfect replica. A lot of the value of branding is rooted in the fact that humans are basically monkeys and we buy products to show the brands off in our social circles. A lot of people would knowingly buy knock-off D&G glasses if they could get the same effect for less money.

Now, I'm not arguing that this would be a bad thing. It'd save parents a lot of money if their kids could show off their "Nike Swoosh" shoes without paying a huge markup for something made in a Chinese sweatshop. But the fact that we can't do that is certainly quite valuable to Nike (and D&G, and Ralph Lauren, etc), and the inability to protect their brands in that way would certainly reduce their incentive to invest so heavily in them through advertising.

Re: Kim Dotcom’s Mega Opens For Early-Access Users

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Am I the only one who just yawned when Megaupload was taken down? I have no ill-will towards the people who run or use that (or those types of) site, and I don't really like how the government handled the Megaupload thing, but with the proliferation of cloud storage sites hosted by Amazon, Microsoft, Google, Dropbox, etc., it just seems stupid to subject yourself to all the security issues, fake download buttons, ads…

A few months after the takedown I went in search of a particular documentary that I knew existed. It's specific to a small subculture and a particular point in time; to the best of my knowledge it's never been released on DVD and most likely never will be. Arguably it would be no great loss to history if it were gone forever - but it was interesting to me. More than the big, famous things, it's little works like this…

I still regret the destruction of MP3.com. I took a liking to some music from there. It was a vibrant community.

Re: Kim Dotcom’s Mega Opens For Early-Access Users

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I wonder how much advertising depends on trademark law. I suppose that, without trademarks, companies would advertise their domain name instead of their company name.

While domains are unique, how does it help Prada, Tiffany's, etc? It makes no difference whether the copy-cats are selling rip-offs marked "tiffanys.com" out of a cart. There is also more to trademark that just protecting marks. Trademark protects many aspects of the brand (see: trade dress, dilution, tarnishment, etc). Companies spend a lot of money advertising because brands are valuable, and trademark basically pr…

I have a question from another angle: would society be better or worse if Prada/Tiffany's/Rolex etc. could no longer block copy-cat products? The way I see it, trademark law is being used to promote social stratification by inflating the prices of luxury goods. Artificially inflating prices via government monopoly is inherently anti-capitalist and anti-consumer.

Re: Kim Dotcom’s Mega Opens For Early-Access Users

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Yeah, I understand the value of a brand. I was thinking that, without trademark, there could still be ways to ascertain the authenticity of a product. For example, tiffanys.com could list their physical stores on their website. A fake store wouldn't fool the neighborhood for long enough to be worth the effort.

Ever go to a mall and see all those little carts selling things? You think people go online to verify whether those carts are selling the real deal? What about products purchased online through Amazon, Zappo, etc? Also, there is a whole world of non point of sale branding. When you give a gift, you pony up for a real Kate Spade bag instead of a perfect knock-off (which are probably made in the same Chinese factory!)…

You're right. For many branded products (especially clothes and shoes), consumers would indeed prefer to buy cheaper replicas good enough to fool their social circle. If they had the freedom to do so, then yes, Nike would lose much of their incentive to invest in advertising their logo. And yes, that would probably be a good thing for parents. And the only advertisements remaining would advertise quality instead of exclusivity. Or maybe Nike would come up with a way for someone to authenticate someone else's shoes. I don't see how they could do that though.

Re: Kim Dotcom’s Mega Opens For Early-Access Users

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I guess it depends on one's opinion about copyright law.

Sure, but I think a lot of people have inconsistent opinions re: copyright law. I find it a little odd that people who oppose copyright on freedom grounds have no problem with advertising, even though advertising industry wouldn't exist at anywhere near its present scale without trademark law, which creates far more dire freedom-related concerns. I'd go further to say that this cognitive dissonance is the product of…

trademark law (...) creates far more dire freedom-related concerns

Can you give any examples of such?

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