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Facebook Graph Search: Marketing Opportunities and a Potential Privacy Nightmare

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Re: Facebook Graph Search: Marketing Opportunities and a Potential Privacy Nightmare

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Post by mindcrime »

Many of my co-workers are "friends" with me on Facebook anyway, and I post so much pro-gun related material, that no-one has to ask to know that I'm solidly pro-gun. I also login to Facebook from work, on my work laptop (this is considered acceptable at my workplace, as long as you don't spend all day on there, and get your work done).

OTOH, I do my pr0n surfing at home, on my own time, using Chrome in incognito mode, and don't advertise anything about it to anyone.

The moral of this story? Stuff I want kept private, doesn't go on Facebook in the first place. If it's on Facebook, by definition, it's something I don't mind people knowing.

Re: Facebook Graph Search: Marketing Opportunities and a Potential Privacy Nightmare

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Post by mindcrime »

silverbax88 wrote: post #8

I don't want to sound mean, but if people aren't smart enough to keep their lives out of Facebook, then let them get burned. It's not rocket science. I've had a Facebook account for years and there is nothing - absolutely NOTHING -on my Facebook account that I would worry about an employer seeing. That means no political views, no off-color humor, NOTHING that I would not say or post in public, in broad daylight. I w…

That means no political views, no off-color humor, NOTHING that I would not say or post in public, in broad daylight.

I also have no fear of an employer "finding" my Facebook profile (actually, my boss at my current job is Facebook friends with me, as is his wife, the co-owner of the company)... but I have a different take on it than you do. I absolutely post political opinions, off-color humour and all manner of controversial items to my FB wall. I just don't care who sees any of that stuff, since A. I doubt most potential future employers are going to care about any of it and B. IF by some amazing chance they did, then - by definition - I don't want to work for them.

So, if $BIGCORP is bothered by the fact that I'm a pro-gun, Libertarian atheist with a "thing" for tall redheads that look like Karen Gillan, then f%^# $BIGCORP, as far as I'm concerned. There are enough other employers out there, I'm not going to waste my time trying to appease every Tom, Dick and Harry that comes along.

Re: Facebook Graph Search: Marketing Opportunities and a Potential Privacy Nightmare

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Post by mindcrime »

refurb wrote: post #49
Turing_Machine wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"People willing to tell a stranger on the phone that they own a gun" is not the same group as "people who actually own a gun". At all.

Exactly, I would assume it's probably higher than 40%. There are an estimated 270M civilian-owned guns and 132M households in the US. So basically 2 guns per household. If you estimate gun ownership at 50%, that's 4 guns per gun-owning household.

I've seen the number for "civilian owned guns" reported as being much higher, more like 310M. Not sure which number is most accurate, and it's entirely possible that none of them are, since we have no central firearms registry. But I would guess that the actual percentage of homes with at least one gun is higher than 40%.

Re: Facebook Graph Search: Marketing Opportunities and a Potential Privacy Nightmare

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Post by businessleads »

bilbo0s wrote: post #11
Tichy wrote: post #7

How would Facebook know who likes porn (except assuming everybody likes porn, obviously)? Those who say so on their Facebook profile are presumably not very concerned about that information leaking out?

Well... Most are logged into FB when they browse their porn, so FB definitely knows what porn and how often the user browses it. Whether or not that info would end up in the graph, I don't know. I don't THINK it would? Not sure. In any case, FB definitely HAS the information. Just a matter of whether they would let anyone else have it. I could see it being a valuable "background check" type service. Actually, now tha…

Facebook has said clearly that the only information that will be searchable is that which is entered into Facebook and it will be displayed in accordance with whatever the original privacy setting was.

The people who shows up for "pr0n" wrote it as one of their interests on their profile and set that to public "friends" or "friends or friends".

Re: Facebook Graph Search: Marketing Opportunities and a Potential Privacy Nightmare

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Post by wmeredith »

paulgb wrote: post #22
venomsnake wrote: post #6

Well ... if they are male chances of liking porn and guns are so high that you shouldn't bother searching. And in the last 10 years the notion that everybody is a freak in his numerous personal ways began to take hold anmog the populace. But the institutions became more easily offended and prude. But I suppose with the inevitable dieout of the current gen of employers the next just won't bother with searching ... it…

There are lots of guys who don't like guns. I've only lived in a few liberal US cities so maybe my perception is skewed, but I (as a Canadian) thought the gun-loving american stereotype largely represented a minority.

I'm pretty sure the prevalence if guns in almost all forms of pop culture skewed at males is really good market evidence that the majority of them do indeed like guns. (What's the last action movie, video game or toy store you saw that didn't have a gun, or some representation of a gun, in some form?)

Re: Facebook Graph Search: Marketing Opportunities and a Potential Privacy Nightmare

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Post by greenyoda »

SkyMarshal wrote: post #21
bilbo0s wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Keep in mind that FB can, and does, track your browser usage whether you are logged in or not. So even though some info may not currently be in the graph, they certainly have a pretty good dossier covering everything you do on the internet. It's not only what you put on your FB that counts, it's anything you have done on the internet from a browser.

I didn't realize they could track you even when logged out. I only ever log into FB with Chromium Incognito mode, but apparently that's not enough.

If you log in with incognito mode, the cookies created in that session will be deleted at the end of that session (when you close your last incognito window) and will not be available to non-incognito browser windows.

Re: Facebook Graph Search: Marketing Opportunities and a Potential Privacy Nightmare

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Post by Tichy »

johnnymonster wrote: post #37
bilbo0s wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well... Most are logged into FB when they browse their porn, so FB definitely knows what porn and how often the user browses it. Whether or not that info would end up in the graph, I don't know. I don't THINK it would? Not sure. In any case, FB definitely HAS the information. Just a matter of whether they would let anyone else have it. I could see it being a valuable "background check" type service. Actually, now tha…

I would really love for you to prove that FB or any other website for that matter can sniff the site traffic of any other window or tab that you have open, when you are logged into facebook on another window/tab. Cookies and history are locked by domain, plain and simple. Unless you have a conspiracy that FB is planting spyware on peoples computers.

Almost every web site has a Facebook button. That's how they do it.

There is also the possibility of web site owners cooperating on the server side to track users. Maybe not as common yet, but not inconceivable.

Re: Facebook Graph Search: Marketing Opportunities and a Potential Privacy Nightmare

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Post by biafra »

S4M wrote: post #31
graeme wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there a reliable way to stop this browser tracking, apart from quitting Facebook?

I might be wrong, but you could use a dedicate browser for facebook and nothing else.

On a Mac you could use fluid with a separate cookie store for this.

Re: Facebook Graph Search: Marketing Opportunities and a Potential Privacy Nightmare

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Post by SkyMarshal »

greenyoda wrote: post #56
SkyMarshal wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't realize they could track you even when logged out. I only ever log into FB with Chromium Incognito mode, but apparently that's not enough.

If you log in with incognito mode, the cookies created in that session will be deleted at the end of that session (when you close your last incognito window) and will not be available to non-incognito browser windows.

Right, that's what I thought was the reason FB can't track you outside of Incognito mode, but if they can track you even when you're logged out of FB then it sounds like it's irrelevant whether you're using Incognito or not.
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