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Re: National Suicide Prevention Lifeline

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Permit wrote: post #47
rdl wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I lost most of my faith in the MIT administration in the 1990s when I was a student; they're basically a bunch of BU/small liberal arts college grad professional administrators of colleges running the institute into the ground. That's the biggest failure of the MIT model vs. a place like Stanford; there's not much chance MIT grads will eventually want to be university administrators.

>They're basically a bunch of BU/small liberal arts college grad professional administrators of colleges running the institute into the ground. Your arrogance is truly breathtaking. I can't believe people shit on other's majors and college choices like this.

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Re: National Suicide Prevention Lifeline

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Post by VexXtreme »

Permit wrote: post #47
rdl wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I lost most of my faith in the MIT administration in the 1990s when I was a student; they're basically a bunch of BU/small liberal arts college grad professional administrators of colleges running the institute into the ground. That's the biggest failure of the MIT model vs. a place like Stanford; there's not much chance MIT grads will eventually want to be university administrators.

>They're basically a bunch of BU/small liberal arts college grad professional administrators of colleges running the institute into the ground. Your arrogance is truly breathtaking. I can't believe people shit on other's majors and college choices like this.

And your lack of ability to understand what was written is even more breathtaking.

The man's point was that it is not suitable for a technical institution like that to be managed and administered by non-technical people. There are a number of reasons for that but the main one is that they lack the expertise needed to run such a place and can't fully appreciate the culture of hacking that many such institutes were built upon.

Same goes for companies. The most successful software companies out there are those run by engineers. Think Google. When "business people" take over, things often have a way of turning for worse. I've seen it time and again.

Re: National Suicide Prevention Lifeline

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Post by [deleted] »

tomaisthorpe wrote: post #27
rdl wrote: post #11

The one at MIT, Nightline, was smart because it pitched itself as a general "call for any reason at night" number -- I called a couple times to get urgent help (after someone tried unsuccessfully to mug me, and I needed to figure out who to report to) -- not just for suicidal people. I suspect there are depressed people who may ultimately kill themselves who, if there were some number solely for "suicidal people", wo…

We have a Nightline at University of Leeds for anyone to call for anything. It's a great thing for people who just need someone to talk to. Whether they're feeling suicidal or just a bit stressed over exams. And the number is on the back of every student ID, which means anyone can find their number really easily.

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Re: National Suicide Prevention Lifeline

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Post by seivan »

VexXtreme wrote: post #52
Permit wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>They're basically a bunch of BU/small liberal arts college grad professional administrators of colleges running the institute into the ground. Your arrogance is truly breathtaking. I can't believe people shit on other's majors and college choices like this.

And your lack of ability to understand what was written is even more breathtaking. The man's point was that it is not suitable for a technical institution like that to be managed and administered by non-technical people. There are a number of reasons for that but the main one is that they lack the expertise needed to run such a place and can't fully appreciate the culture of hacking that many such institutes were bui…

I agree, been saying that for a long time. You can't have "business people" running companies that run on software.

Re: National Suicide Prevention Lifeline

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Post by seivan »

Permit wrote: post #47
rdl wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I lost most of my faith in the MIT administration in the 1990s when I was a student; they're basically a bunch of BU/small liberal arts college grad professional administrators of colleges running the institute into the ground. That's the biggest failure of the MIT model vs. a place like Stanford; there's not much chance MIT grads will eventually want to be university administrators.

>They're basically a bunch of BU/small liberal arts college grad professional administrators of colleges running the institute into the ground. Your arrogance is truly breathtaking. I can't believe people shit on other's majors and college choices like this.

Way to go to miss the point completely. Stupidity is also breathtaking, reading comprehension might help.

Re: National Suicide Prevention Lifeline

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Post by tomjen3 »

riffraff wrote: post #44
tomjen3 wrote: post #39

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Suicide is extremely common among males (compared to women, men end up killing them at self at something like a 10:1 ratio, even though more women than men try to kill them self), particularily young males. Guess who is most likely to be a programmer?

are you sure about that 10:1 figure? Looking at the available UE data from eurostat[0] the ratio would seem more 4:1, which obviously still confirms your point, I am just curious about your source. [0] http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/tgm/refreshTableAction.do?t...

My memory must be out of wack.

Re: National Suicide Prevention Lifeline

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Post by rdl »

Permit wrote: post #47
rdl wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I lost most of my faith in the MIT administration in the 1990s when I was a student; they're basically a bunch of BU/small liberal arts college grad professional administrators of colleges running the institute into the ground. That's the biggest failure of the MIT model vs. a place like Stanford; there's not much chance MIT grads will eventually want to be university administrators.

>They're basically a bunch of BU/small liberal arts college grad professional administrators of colleges running the institute into the ground. Your arrogance is truly breathtaking. I can't believe people shit on other's majors and college choices like this.

I think people are better at running the schools they themselves attended. MIT grads would be better running MIT than non-MIT grads; MIT grads, however, would be horrible at running small liberal arts colleges.

(the idea is probably a MIT undergrad or grad student who then goes to another school or business for some kind of management experience, then eventually returns to MIT, like some of the best administrators; or, a professor who also does admin functions. Professional administrators have grown in number dramatically faster than enrollment, which is part of why tuition is so high. We don't need ~50 deans.

Re: National Suicide Prevention Lifeline

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Post by Permit »

VexXtreme wrote: post #52
Permit wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>They're basically a bunch of BU/small liberal arts college grad professional administrators of colleges running the institute into the ground. Your arrogance is truly breathtaking. I can't believe people shit on other's majors and college choices like this.

And your lack of ability to understand what was written is even more breathtaking. The man's point was that it is not suitable for a technical institution like that to be managed and administered by non-technical people. There are a number of reasons for that but the main one is that they lack the expertise needed to run such a place and can't fully appreciate the culture of hacking that many such institutes were bui…

He's replying to a comment that said their help line was taken down. That's not a technology problem, and I fail to see how an engineer or computer science grad would have better tackled that issue.
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