Google is the new Apple just as once Apple was the new Microsoft.
This is not an evil conspiracy. It's just companies working to increase their market/mind share.
Google Maps redirect issue on Windows Phones is a matter of competition
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Re: Google Maps redirect issue on Windows Phones is a matter of competition
#52First they block access to Youtube API. Now they decide to block access to Google Maps. Free and Open Web BS is just going too far. I don't think there is absolutely any part of the web which is free and open. It is conveniently used from time to time to convince people to contribute to their platforms.
"Free and open web" doesn't mean unfettered access to private parties' services, it means unfettered access to the internet itself. I.e. access to the services on the internet that private parties are willing to let you use.
Most everything on the internet is owned by someone, and the whole meaning of things being free and open is that putting something up is putting it up for everyone. Your interpretation is just "you can use the things I let you use", which is a tautology...
Re: Google Maps redirect issue on Windows Phones is a matter of competition
#53The Windows Phone browser does not send touchstart or touchmove events. This alone makes it damn near impossible left to implement decent maps, so the claims that its the equivalent of IE10 is incorrect. Its a pretty huge oversight by MS given that WebKit, Firefox and Opera do it just fine.
It was working fine enough before they started doing a user hostile redirect on the maps site. Here's a video of it atleast being functional on maps.google.lu just today.
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#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I'm pretty sure you're just being neglected. First of all, when "neglect" gives Google leverage to harm a competitor in a different market (using maps to harm a mobile OS vendor), it is reasonable to think it might not be just neglect, but also strategy. Second, neglect is bad enough by itself. Google has been phasing out support for Opera in properties like blogger.com on desktop, and now is officially on record a…
1) any kind of anticompetitive argument like that is a dangerous road to walk down. Is Google leveraging the popularity of maps.google.com to also marginalize rockmelt? Is a "install chromeframe" interstitial on IE6 some strategy beyond "we don't want to support your browser"? there is always a line, and considering how widespread UA sniffing and webkit-only prefixes are, you would need a considerably higher bar of e…
From http://www.google.com/about/company/
"Google’s mission is to organize the world’s information and make it universally accessible and useful."
Re: Google Maps redirect issue on Windows Phones is a matter of competition
#55As a Linux user I encountered countless "Internet Explorer only" sites. I even had to postpone the adoption of e-banking for a few years due to this.
I never saw Microsoft fight for me, I never saw TNW fight for me. Things only changed because Firefox and later Chrome became popular but my favorite browser (Konqueror) and its engine (KHTML, dad of webkit) still aren't supported.
Is this a matter of competition too?
Re: Google Maps redirect issue on Windows Phones is a matter of competition
#56I'm very confused. Isn't it in Google's best interests to have everyone in the world using their mapping product? Why would they want to get people on new platforms used to using alternative maps, like, say, http://www.bing.com/maps/ ? Something doesn't sound right here...
They see Google maps as a strong enough brand that they think people will avoid Windows Phone if it doesn't have it. I think it's a good move. The last thing we need is our one chance at an Open Source OS being undermined by Microsoft.
Don't forget how much money MS makes in each handset in extortion money, that is, "patent licensing"
Re: Google Maps redirect issue on Windows Phones is a matter of competition
#57We really should not rely on the map service from these big companies. You have no idea when they will force you to do something, such as change your phone in this case.
Re: Google Maps redirect issue on Windows Phones is a matter of competition
#58The Windows Phone browser does not send touchstart or touchmove events. This alone makes it damn near impossible left to implement decent maps, so the claims that its the equivalent of IE10 is incorrect. Its a pretty huge oversight by MS given that WebKit, Firefox and Opera do it just fine.
It was working fine enough before they started doing a user hostile redirect on the maps site. Here's a video of it atleast being functional on maps.google.lu just today. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DyYYVl8x6g
lol i call that barely working. Barely moves and the user didn't do anything but load the site.
Re: Google Maps redirect issue on Windows Phones is a matter of competition
#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
It was working fine enough before they started doing a user hostile redirect on the maps site. Here's a video of it atleast being functional on maps.google.lu just today. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DyYYVl8x6g
lol i call that barely working. Barely moves and the user didn't do anything but load the site.
Re: Google Maps redirect issue on Windows Phones is a matter of competition
#60We really should not rely on the map service from these big companies. You have no idea when they will force you to do something, such as change your phone in this case.
Hear hear! Isn't that the reason why the FOSS movement came into existence? To prevent large corporations from owning the right to the software that we use in our daily lives?