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Re: Support the FSF: Help us stop Restricted Boot

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As long as there is robust availability of hardware on which you can install your preferred software, why should EVERY bit of hardware offer that feature?

Because EVERY piece of hardware that I have bought is mine, and that means I should be able to do what I want with it.

Re: Support the FSF: Help us stop Restricted Boot

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Why make the difference between the two? What's so special about tablets that they deserve restricted boot, but PC's do not? They're just all computers. What's worse is that in the future these computers will be a lot more popular than PC's ever were. That means more people will be restricted by default. Most tablets and phones just happen to come with a different chip architecture, but there is nothing inherent to t…

One major difference between phones and desktops is that phones are often subsidized.

The subsidy is paid back by the customer being locked into a service contract for some number of years. It shouldn't affect the customers' freedom to run their own software on the phone.

Re: Support the FSF: Help us stop Restricted Boot

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The FSF's attitude towards new technologies seems awfully reactionary (this is somewhat unsurprising when you remember that rms doesn't use a web browser; occasionally he emails interesting-sounding URLs to a service that emails them back to him in plain text, and he only checks email once a day). Secure Boot where you can only run Microsoft-approved software is bad for software freedom, no question about it. Secure…

How many consumer systems have been the victim of evil maid attacks in practice? How many have been infected via browser (or other client) vulnerabilities that never touch the kernel nor interact with a "secure" boot implementation?

Secure boot exists primarily because it provides a "feel good" answer to content providers about the feasibility of DRM. It's not an answer to real world security issues and never has been.

Re: Support the FSF: Help us stop Restricted Boot

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> Better (and easier) to kill off a bad idea early on. Yeah, so they should have gone on an all out offensive when the iPad launched. Now there's a huge precedent they will have to try to explain away, why it doesn't apply and Microsoft's stuff have to be open but not their competitors'.

What do you think the chances are Apple has some "influence" in the FSF?

There are a lot of negative things that you can say about Richard Stallman, but to suggest that he or his organization might be in anybody's pocket is simply preposterous.

Re: Support the FSF: Help us stop Restricted Boot

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> Better (and easier) to kill off a bad idea early on. Yeah, so they should have gone on an all out offensive when the iPad launched. Now there's a huge precedent they will have to try to explain away, why it doesn't apply and Microsoft's stuff have to be open but not their competitors'.

While they could have included a link to their existing campaigns against Apple DRM, focusing on one company in each campaign is better than trying to focusing on everyone. But for explaining why Microsoft should stop even if Apple has locked down devices, if a company is dumping oil in the ocean, people are allowed to complain and create a boycott against that company. If the companies defense is "well, other compan…

The equivalent analogy is if company A dumps 67M gallons of oil in the ocean per year, Company B dumps 20M gallons of oil and Company C dumps 0.5M gallons of oil a year and people make a big noise about Company C and legal action against it while giving a free pass to other companies. It makes them hypocrites.

Re: Support the FSF: Help us stop Restricted Boot

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This really seems like something the market could decide. If there's a large group of people that want an alternative would the opportunity not be great enough for a new company to fulfill it? Who are the restricted bootloaders actually harming? There's still plenty of choices for people that want to install linux on a box and I don't see that this choice will disappear any time soon.

Re: Support the FSF: Help us stop Restricted Boot

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What do you think the chances are Apple has some "influence" in the FSF?

There are a lot of negative things that you can say about Richard Stallman, but to suggest that he or his organization might be in anybody's pocket is simply preposterous.

I didn't realize it was "his"

Re: Support the FSF: Help us stop Restricted Boot

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What do you think the chances are Apple has some "influence" in the FSF?

Apple and the FSF have long had an antagonistic relationship. Some history in this talk: http://www.ebb.org/bkuhn/talks/LinuxTag-2011/compliance.html

OK, wasn't aware.

Re: Support the FSF: Help us stop Restricted Boot

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The FSF's attitude towards new technologies seems awfully reactionary (this is somewhat unsurprising when you remember that rms doesn't use a web browser; occasionally he emails interesting-sounding URLs to a service that emails them back to him in plain text, and he only checks email once a day). Secure Boot where you can only run Microsoft-approved software is bad for software freedom, no question about it. Secure…

It is only two or three days since I first heard about the "evil maid" attack. While this could be a preoccupation for some kind of environment, and most probably very few, it is very easy to come with a scheme that both protects against that and allows other operating systems to be installed.

Given that this has not been done, and given the small number of people this scenario interests, given that thoses people are unlikely to be interested by Windows 8 to begin with, and even less by Windows RT, Secure Boot has not been designed by MS to prevent that, but really to prevent the installation of other operating systems. The FSF just fight Secure Boot for the real reason it has been created; if you create and alternate security feature for the "evil maid" scenario that preserve user freedom, that would be a completely different subject and you want angry the FSF with it. The FSF's attitude towards new technologies is not reactionary. They fight for user's freedom, as always.

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