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Europe's "Less" Is Doing More Than Anyone Gives It Credit For

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Re: Europe's "Less" Is Doing More Than Anyone Gives It Credit For

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Post by boredatoms »

ahartmetz wrote: post #45
david38 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Manufacturing is brutal at efficiency. Every generation they aggressively cut material use and process energy usage. Look at any device that had a lot of metal years ago. The second part is phones have replaced a lot of people’s “stuff”. Young people prefer phones to cars even. You can loads of “stuff” on your phone and it’s just software.

>Young people prefer phones to cars even I mean, I probably do, too. I certainly use my phone much more often (I live in Berlin). But please, can we not make cars smartphones on wheels? I don't want to throw away my car after five years because the software is outdated, the CPU has become too weak and the battery is worn out. (Not a dig against electric cars, their batteries usually last much longer)

Check out the Slate truck/suv

Re: Europe's "Less" Is Doing More Than Anyone Gives It Credit For

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Post by Barrin92 »

paganel wrote: post #38

There's a general malaise throughout this continent of Europe that neither these journos nor most of the (quite financially well-off) computer programmers from forums like this one are willing to look up straight in the face. The 40% AfD vote in Eastern Germany is just a local manifestation of that, the truth is that us, the normies, people are royally scared about our (financial and not only) futures have been left…

>There's a general malaise throughout this continent of Europe

The continent is remarkably resilient, we just love to complain. The fact that we're handling a de facto war with Russia, an energy crisis, a trade crisis and about half a dozen other crises with merely moderate amount of pain is a sign of strength, not the opposite. Five years ago people were claiming we'd freeze to death.

And I'm saying that as a German who can't stand the AfD as much as anyone else, the fact that they sit at 40% in our poorest region of two million people (where a third has emigrated over the last two decades) maybe shouldn't send you into a panic. That's Germany's version of rural Alabama. Turns out we're not exceptionally immune to populism in times of stress.

Re: Europe's "Less" Is Doing More Than Anyone Gives It Credit For

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Post by phil21 »

tonyedgecombe wrote: post #32
NooneAtAll3 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

everyone switched from manufacturing to service jobs

Although manufacturing output has remained stable.

Only if you use dollar value output as some weird substitute for actually making things.

Re: Europe's "Less" Is Doing More Than Anyone Gives It Credit For

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Post by ahartmetz »

boredatoms wrote: post #51
ahartmetz wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Young people prefer phones to cars even I mean, I probably do, too. I certainly use my phone much more often (I live in Berlin). But please, can we not make cars smartphones on wheels? I don't want to throw away my car after five years because the software is outdated, the CPU has become too weak and the battery is worn out. (Not a dig against electric cars, their batteries usually last much longer)

Check out the Slate truck/suv

I'd be more interested in a car, the kind that people had before they went mad. Smaller frontal area, lower center of gravity, lighter weight. More economic, faster, more fun to drive. I don't want to sit high neither, lower is more fun.

Re: Europe's "Less" Is Doing More Than Anyone Gives It Credit For

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Post by jdlshore »

bluGill wrote: post #24
jdlshore wrote: post #2

I think this is AI. It’s not as bad as some, but it’s got that breathless enthusiasm and drones on and on without ever quite getting to its point.

AI is fine in itself. The only question are the numbers correct. I'm not sure how to validate them. The facts count the most important. The second is the article readable without being too wordy or any other such problems.

Problem is, if they didn’t put in the effort to write the article, how can I trust that they put in the effort to verify the facts?

Not to mention that the article is terribly verbose and never gets to its point (by the time I gave up, that is, quite a long way through). Writing is how you organize your thoughts, and it’s not been done here.

Re: Europe's "Less" Is Doing More Than Anyone Gives It Credit For

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Post by BobbyTables2 »

tonyedgecombe wrote: post #33
karmakurtisaani wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And probably both of these can be explained largely by the fact that most of the energy intensive production happens now in Asia.

Most energy consumption is for transportation and housing. The US trade deficit with the rest of the world is only about 3% of gdp, that doesn’t buy much in the way of emissions.

How is Europe similar then?

I’d expect the US spends vastly more energy on transportation (individual vehicles) and housing (larger, more AC, etc)

Re: Europe's "Less" Is Doing More Than Anyone Gives It Credit For

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Post by wahern »

tonyedgecombe wrote: post #33
karmakurtisaani wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And probably both of these can be explained largely by the fact that most of the energy intensive production happens now in Asia.

Most energy consumption is for transportation and housing. The US trade deficit with the rest of the world is only about 3% of gdp, that doesn’t buy much in the way of emissions.

That's true for states like California and perhaps the US generally, but in states like Texas industry uses half of all energy. ( https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=66224) Likewise for South Korea and China where over half is for industry. This is precisely because most states exported their heavy industry, both overseas and to states like Texas, which has many chemical plants and similar energy-intensive industry.

Re: Europe's "Less" Is Doing More Than Anyone Gives It Credit For

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Post by tuatoru »

tonyedgecombe wrote: post #33
karmakurtisaani wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And probably both of these can be explained largely by the fact that most of the energy intensive production happens now in Asia.

Most energy consumption is for transportation and housing. The US trade deficit with the rest of the world is only about 3% of gdp, that doesn’t buy much in the way of emissions.

> Most energy consumption is for transportation and housing.

Of course it is, if you have offshored energy-intensive industries.

Re: Europe's "Less" Is Doing More Than Anyone Gives It Credit For

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Post by paganel »

derriz wrote: post #43
paganel wrote: post #38

There's a general malaise throughout this continent of Europe that neither these journos nor most of the (quite financially well-off) computer programmers from forums like this one are willing to look up straight in the face. The 40% AfD vote in Eastern Germany is just a local manifestation of that, the truth is that us, the normies, people are royally scared about our (financial and not only) futures have been left…

> have been left almost no-where else to go I’m pretty sure that there are political alternatives to afd’s ethno-nationalism, climate change denialism and Putin-worship

There are? Which ones? Are they going to make our lives livable?

Re: Europe's "Less" Is Doing More Than Anyone Gives It Credit For

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Post by paganel »

Barrin92 wrote: post #52
paganel wrote: post #38

There's a general malaise throughout this continent of Europe that neither these journos nor most of the (quite financially well-off) computer programmers from forums like this one are willing to look up straight in the face. The 40% AfD vote in Eastern Germany is just a local manifestation of that, the truth is that us, the normies, people are royally scared about our (financial and not only) futures have been left…

>There's a general malaise throughout this continent of Europe The continent is remarkably resilient, we just love to complain. The fact that we're handling a de facto war with Russia, an energy crisis, a trade crisis and about half a dozen other crises with merely moderate amount of pain is a sign of strength, not the opposite. Five years ago people were claiming we'd freeze to death. And I'm saying that as a German…

AUR (our local extremist party here in Romania) is also at 40%, the thing is that the powers that be have stopped having elections here because of that. Don’t act like this it will last, because it won’t, the wealthy regions in countries like Germany ard the exception by now, not the norm.
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