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That ship has sailed. A far as most are concerned gmail is email. So that is now the reality. Google has successfully, without any resistance, assimilated email and the web. I run my own mail and I faithfully avoid chrome as much as I can but the ship is long gone over the horizon. Sad. But so it goes.
When i worked in small ISP, i did some stats on customer accounts (about 2k customers) and only about 10% was @gmail.com. But it was 5 years ago and in EU.
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proton has some issues that may or may not be issues for you - https://stateofsurveillance.org/news/proton-mail-fbi-stop-co... - http://thoughtportal.org/2025/02/26/proton-mail-says-its-pol... these people seem more problem free so far https://mail.tutanota.com/login
Frequently when someone mentions Proton on HN the response is along the lines of what you just did. In the big scheme of things, I’d trust Proton more than Google and other big tech companies even if they aren’t perfect.
Quoting a dead comment: >I wish we didn't have to use email at all. Email has big problems, but contemplate the kind of lovecraftian horror the great minds of silicon valley would replace it with today. Imagine the worst parts of Facebook, Electron, Discord, Windows 11, CloudFlare and TikTok. Secured by Denuvo and the CIA and brought to you by Dollar Shave Club and the Chinese Communist Party. You'd wish you had emai…
That ship has sailed. A far as most are concerned gmail is email. So that is now the reality. Google has successfully, without any resistance, assimilated email and the web. I run my own mail and I faithfully avoid chrome as much as I can but the ship is long gone over the horizon. Sad. But so it goes.
I think the difference between Google's DMARC policy for gmail.com and google.com says it all: bcrl@home:~/electronics/vrm/lm5017/test-lm5017-isobuck$ host -t txt _dmarc.gmail.com _dmarc.gmail.com descriptive text "v=DMARC1; p=none; sp=quarantine; rua=mailto:mailauth-reports@google.com" bcrl@home:~/electronics/vrm/lm5017/test-lm5017-isobuck$ host -t txt _dmarc.google.com _dmarc.google.com descriptive text "v=DMARC1;…
Wait, wouldn't setting gmail.com to p=reject break anyone using legacy email-forwarding setups and mailing lists?
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Wait, wouldn't setting gmail.com to p=reject break anyone using legacy email-forwarding setups and mailing lists?
No. DKIM signatures were designed to work when emails are forwarded. I run a couple of Linux related mailing lists, and the DKIM signature continues to validate specified headers and the body of the email when forwarded or resent via mailing lists. Dealing with that quirk happened a decade ago, and it is why most mailing lists no longer add headers or footers to emails with instructions on how to unsubscribe.