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Post by tzs »

downrightmike wrote: post #4

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Boomers were split nearly evenly between Trump and Harris in 2024. Gen X were the ones that went strongly for Trump (around 54% to 44%).

Millennials were for Harris (51-47%), and Gen Z were for Harris as strongly as Gen X were for Trump (54-43%).

What did it for Trump was voter turn out.

Boomers were around 50 million voters with around 75% turnout, but because they only favored Trump by a percent or two they only gave Trump a small plus of around 750k votes.

Gen X had around 70% turnout for their 50-55 million voters, and with their strong support of Trump they have him a big plus of around 3710k.

Millennials had 60-75 million voters but around 60% turnout. The lower turnout cut their voting numbers to not much more than Gen X which combined with their Harris support not being as strong as Gen X's Trump support means their Harris plus was about 1510k.

Gen Z 40-50 million voters both only around 50% turnout. Their strong Harris support somewhat made up for that and they gave her a plus of around 2470k.

If Gen Z had merely upped their turnout to 60%, like Millennials, that would have turned the election around.

Re: US sanctions Italian hosting provider Autistici Inventati

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Post by GaryBluto »

MSFT_Edging wrote: post #33
theultdev wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was against the Feds designating Juggalos as a "loosely-organized hybrid gang". That was ridiculous. But this is not the same. Antifa leaders and cell members have been charged and convicted, getting caught coordinating riots. https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/leader-antifa-cell-members-no... And we all saw the "summer of love" in 2020. Personally I want to see more accountability. I know Antifa may be popular here, b…

It's laughable to call that an "antifa cell", especially as they're abusing terrorism charges to send someone away for life for moving zines. We have white-nationalist groups actually organizing and training. Shipping in Khaki clad warriors in box trucks to shout slurs and intimidate people. We have videos of said groups doing weapons training like the Al Qaeda training videos of the 2000s. Antifa? Your primary sourc…

> they're abusing terrorism charges to send someone away for life for moving zines.

You can make anything sound idiotic if you simplify it enough. They're trying to send someone away for hiding evidence.

Using your logic you could say that someone arrested for shooting someone is being put away for moving their index finger.

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Post by BryantD »

theultdev wrote: post #10
BryantD wrote: post #7

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Ha ha, but no, you weren’t. You were told that there’s no such thing as an organized centralized group called Antifa. You were told that it’s an ideological approach to fighting fascism, not a terrorist organization. You were told that labeling antifa as a terrorist organization was going to be an excuse for bringing sanctions against anyone Trump’s administration happens to dislike. And all of that is true.

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No, they did not. Jerry Nadler is often cited as an example here and that’s wrong; what he actually said is that it was a myth that Antifa provocateurs were behind the ongoing violent protests in Portland. Not the same thing.

Don’t make vague accusations. If you have real cites, provide them. And your claim is “quite a few” so pointing at one candidate somewhere isn’t gonna do it.

As far as your second paragraph goes, I didn’t say that anyone should be protected from the consequences of their actions so that portion of your comment is irrelevant.

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Post by like_any_other »

shimman wrote: post #35
angeldimitrov94 wrote: post #22

As long as the same lens is applied equally to far-right and white supremacist groups, then this is fine. This question is rhetorical with this administration, however.

You know you don't have to always accept government overreach under the guise of "fairness." It's not fair, it was never fair, why are you expecting it to be fair? Just look at how the US treats "ecoterrorists" versus white supremacist; or if you want historical examples look at how the FBI treated labor groups versus fascists ones in the 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, and 70s (no need to worry about the decades after, the…

Labor groups up to and including in the 60s were fiercely anti-immigration [1], and wanted to expand laws like the Chinese Exclusion act. You would call them white supremacist today. But as you say, the FBI did its job, and eventually the unions accepted immigration, just like capital wanted. Now Amazon can release a study showing diversity impedes unions [2], and Wikipedia helpfully summarizes it to give the opposite impression [3], while the FBI can better spend its time investigating "It's okay to be white" as terrorism [4], libeling whites with fabricated extremism cases [5], and taking instruction from the ADL [6].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_policies_of_Americ...

[2] Whole Foods' heat map says lower rates of racial diversity increase unionization risks - https://www.businessinsider.com/whole-foods-tracks-unionizat...

[3] Factors including racial diversity, proximity to other unions, poverty levels in the surrounding community, and calls to the NLRB were named as contributors to "unionization risk." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Amazon

[4] Ohio universities involve FBI in investigation of ‘It’s okay to be white’ and white nationalist group’s postings on campus - https://www.thefire.org/news/ohio-universities-involve-fbi-i...

[5] https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/sep/15/biden-accus...

[6] Did you know ADL trains every new FBI agent on their role as protectors of the American people and the Constitution? - https://x.com/ADL/status/472384478464061441

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Post by BryantD »

theultdev wrote: post #36
4MOAisgoodenuf wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who is the leader of Antifa? Does a charge and conviction mean that this action is good or morally justified? If so then your issue with the feds designating Juggalos as a hybrid gang would be contradicted. This action follows the administration's established pattern of trying to tie political dissent in the US to unrelated foreign actors (often the Kurdish PKK) so that they can lay the legal footing to prosecute Ame…

That's a silly rubric. Loosely organized groups have cells with leaders, not a single one. That specific Antifa chapter's cell leaders can be found in the link above. The KKK didn't have a single leader either after WWII, it was distributed chapters. So does that mean they weren't a terrorist group anymore? And the Juggalo fans didn't coordinate to go riot / cause violence, not the same as either of those.

It’s the rubric the government is using here: Trump designated the mythical centralized organization as a terrorist threat.

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Post by Terr_ »

vharuck wrote: post #40
hexator wrote: post #11

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If the US government can designate their ideological opponents as terrorists without due process or any real justification, then nobody is safe.

Don't forget, with the alleged drug boats to the south, this government claims anyone they designate a terrorist is immediately a valid target for lethal military action.

And then war-crime/murder the helpless survivors with a "double tap" strike.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-the-law-says-abou...

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Post by Terr_ »

wat10000 wrote: post #12
stackedinserter wrote: post #3

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Indeed, there's no such organization. Is this supposed to be some sort of gotcha?

Compare to: "You told me The Illuminati [worldwide ancient conspiracy] was a myth, but behold, I have proof of The Illuminati [card game] right here my hands! CHECKMATE, SKEPTICS!"

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equivocation

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motte-and-bailey_fallacy

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