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Re: Anthropic's best AI model struggles to attract users as cheaper tools thrive

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Post by jml78 »

YuechenLi wrote: post #11

Fable is just way too expensive and limited compared to GPT 5.6 Sol, and the only task that requires that level of intelligence is frontier scientific research. I use GPT/Codex primarily for coding and usually keep Claude on Sonnet 5 most of the time as I use Claude primarily to debug/brainstorm/make frontends as a supplement to GPT.

I do not agree. Fable is the only model I can leave unattended and give me results for part of my work which is just devops related tasking.

I can hand hold opus but I would rather just ask fable to do it and give me the result that I review and works. Opus will waste tokens and still require me to help nudge it in the right directions.

I think the next gen models from china will put us in a spot that the cost can plummet and I won’t need the Sota from anthropic

Re: Anthropic's best AI model struggles to attract users as cheaper tools thrive

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Post by rafaelmn »

GPerson wrote: post #43
bentt wrote: post #27

They've put themselves in a corner. Fable was too good and they gave it away with the $20 plan. It had to be a big step from Opus 4.8 to show progress, and Opus 4.8 is GREAT at coding in many different domains. But they're getting killed on token cost. They have to get people paying more for tokens. So then they put Fable in the $200 plan and release Opus 5. I'm suspicious of Opus 5. It is mostly worse than 4.8. It _…

Fable is still on the $100 plan for me. (Maybe this is A/B testing or something.)

Might as well not be - I routinely get rate limited in a single review session.

I've honestly stopped using CC and moved to codex. Sol has it's warts but I've never once hit limits on a 100€ and I get a similar level of performance for what I'm doing.

I wouldn't mind bumping Fable to 200$ plan if it was actually better but between the insane caps, reverting to opus/sonnet randomly and having similar perf as OAI - I'm done with it.

Next step is to put 100$ into open router and try some western hosted open models with Pi when OAI starts pulling up prices.

Re: Anthropic's best AI model struggles to attract users as cheaper tools thrive

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Post by hgoel »

felixgallo wrote: post #17
tyleo wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I almost feel like there's some sort of paid campaign going on in Hacker News promoting the Chinese/open models. I feel like every day I'm hearing about how the frontier labs are dead but your experience is the same as mine. My company pays for Claude AND Codex but we never really use the open models for anything critical.

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"Everyone that disagrees with me is astroturfing" is not going to lead you to being in touch with reality.

Re: Anthropic's best AI model struggles to attract users as cheaper tools thrive

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Post by alasdair_ »

rafaelmn wrote: post #52
GPerson wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fable is still on the $100 plan for me. (Maybe this is A/B testing or something.)

Might as well not be - I routinely get rate limited in a single review session. I've honestly stopped using CC and moved to codex. Sol has it's warts but I've never once hit limits on a 100€ and I get a similar level of performance for what I'm doing. I wouldn't mind bumping Fable to 200$ plan if it was actually better but between the insane caps, reverting to opus/sonnet randomly and having similar perf as OAI - I'm…

You can turn off the reverting to opus with an option.

Re: Anthropic's best AI model struggles to attract users as cheaper tools thrive

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Post by margorczynski »

jeffnash wrote: post #33

Hasn't it always been the premise that intelligence would get cheaper? To me, on the enterprise side, it seems like firms are finally getting the memo that, whether you are locked into the Ant/OAI ecosystem or not, you don't need the smartest, most expensive model to do every single task. This is a good thing for overall adoption. Whether that trickles down into regular user behavior, especially with subscription pri…

> whether you are locked into the Ant/OAI ecosystem or not

I think the problem (for Ant/OAI) is that there is no sensible lockin or moat. LLMs are essentially interchangeable and stuff like a harness doesn't offer enough value on its own for someone to be locked into using one of them.

Now with the onslaught of the Chinese models that offer almost the same quality for much less money they have a very serious problem on how to proceed. Investors now might be looking through rose tinted glasses but their patience has its limits.

Re: Anthropic's best AI model struggles to attract users as cheaper tools thrive

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Post by rafaelmn »

hellisothers wrote: post #14
YuechenLi wrote: post #11

Fable is just way too expensive and limited compared to GPT 5.6 Sol, and the only task that requires that level of intelligence is frontier scientific research. I use GPT/Codex primarily for coding and usually keep Claude on Sonnet 5 most of the time as I use Claude primarily to debug/brainstorm/make frontends as a supplement to GPT.

I thought Sol was on par with Opus, so comparing it to Fable is apples and (very expensive) oranges?

Sol routinely catches stuff in review that fable misses for me. It's impossible to compare them meaningfully because it's a complete dice roll - but in practice using both in my projects I can get work done with both, and Opus 5 is far more tedious.

But Fable security false positives and pricing just make it not worth compared to Sol IMO.

Re: Anthropic's best AI model struggles to attract users as cheaper tools thrive

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Post by margorczynski »

igravious wrote: post #32
cmenge wrote: post #12

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Just cancelled my Claude subscription and used Ox Alpha Free through OpenCode (so that's one). In my view, from the testing I did since Thursday, it's better than Fable. I had just finished a rather large task that Fable completed, including a /review and an /ultrareview. Ox Alpha found bugs that Fable and Opus missed, and it continued to build things like a pro. It does have issues with availability - but it's on a…

Intriguing. Who is it? What is it? any ideas? https://openrouter.ai/stealth/ox-alpha

Some people say it is a new version of Gemini Pro - this is based on some tweets from their employees.

Re: Anthropic's best AI model struggles to attract users as cheaper tools thrive

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Post by rafaelmn »

alasdair_ wrote: post #54
rafaelmn wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Might as well not be - I routinely get rate limited in a single review session. I've honestly stopped using CC and moved to codex. Sol has it's warts but I've never once hit limits on a 100€ and I get a similar level of performance for what I'm doing. I wouldn't mind bumping Fable to 200$ plan if it was actually better but between the insane caps, reverting to opus/sonnet randomly and having similar perf as OAI - I'm…

You can turn off the reverting to opus with an option.

I did not know that - but what happens then I get denied and I plead with the model that my usecase doesn't violate its TOS ? Edit prompt till I get it to pass ?

Reverting is annoying but being flagged for security questions while I'm doing code review is insane.

Re: Anthropic's best AI model struggles to attract users as cheaper tools thrive

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Post by alightsoul »

felixgallo wrote: post #44
kami23 wrote: post #35

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Yes that is exactly what's happening. Claude keeps track of memory if you've turned that on so all conversations are somehow tracked over time Claude randomly will mention that I'm a developer while I'm asking unrelated questions and say oh because you're a developer you might like this or because of my background and infrastructure you might find this interesting and I always get creeped out by it. They have the con…

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Dario is that you?

Re: Anthropic's best AI model struggles to attract users as cheaper tools thrive

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Post by [deleted] »

felixgallo wrote: post #44
kami23 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes that is exactly what's happening. Claude keeps track of memory if you've turned that on so all conversations are somehow tracked over time Claude randomly will mention that I'm a developer while I'm asking unrelated questions and say oh because you're a developer you might like this or because of my background and infrastructure you might find this interesting and I always get creeped out by it. They have the con…

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