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Google Pays for Drones To Bust African Rhino Poachers

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Re: Google Pays for Drones To Bust African Rhino Poachers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

SpaceX's 2010 technology sure kicks NASA's 1975 technology's butt. Look, I love Elon Musk and SpaceX as much as the next guy but probably most of the cost advantage has to do with improved technology (especially materials science).

But then one has to wonder why NASA's technology has not improved during the 37 years that came after 1975 despite a budget of over 10 billion dollars a year.

I guess its really trivial to point this out which is why it isn't being said, but they did send rovers to the Mars, and they kept the ISS manned with the shuttle program, all the while under orders to move away from manned missions.

This isn't a comprehensive list by any means.

~~Also - the cold war ended, the symbols are now eroding.~~

Re: Google Pays for Drones To Bust African Rhino Poachers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everybody is equal, except the people we don't like.

Yeah, it sure is an affront to the basics of civilized society when violent criminals are prosecuted. I mean, what justification is there aside from "we don't like them"?

Because I support prosecuting animal poachers, I do not approve of hunting them like animals themselves.

Re: Google Pays for Drones To Bust African Rhino Poachers

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I can't help feel there are tangential aims for a project like this. Surely part of the reasoning for making an investment in a project like this, is the advancement of the technology involved?

Bearing in mind the premier use for similarly advanced unmanned aircraft, is it too cynical to believe the project might end up advancing military aims?

Re: Google Pays for Drones To Bust African Rhino Poachers

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post #54

I can't help feel there are tangential aims for a project like this. Surely part of the reasoning for making an investment in a project like this, is the advancement of the technology involved? Bearing in mind the premier use for similarly advanced unmanned aircraft, is it too cynical to believe the project might end up advancing military aims?

$5million is a tiny amount of money and is unlikely to advance the state of the art in military drone technology.

Other people in the thread have mentioned the stuff involved in the predator drones.

Google may get some nice aerial photography for Maps; or they may get some limited research for unmanned vehicles.

> I can't help feel there are tangential aims for a project like this.

Even if there are, well, it's not a bad thing.

Re: Google Pays for Drones To Bust African Rhino Poachers

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The USAF's and CIA's use of drones in the Middle East has sparked the imagination across all kinds of projects such as this one. But the reality is that military-style drones that can stay aloft for days are extremely expensive to purchase and to operate. The well-known Predator drone, for example, costs $4 million per airplane, and it requires a classified global satellite network, an uplink station manned with thre…

Its quite possible to build a drone using off the shelf parts that can stay up for a few hours, at least. The rcgroups.com forums are full of such things, and whats interesting is that the pace of drone technology is really represented in such forums as rcgroups.com .. I myself have the parts available to build a flying spy platform that I could field over my lake and surrounding orchard for probably a few hours. Its not that far-fetched, and frankly with all the extraordinary designs for micro foam builds available on the Internet, I'd be surprised if African nations don't suddenly find themselves inundated with drone tech from the slums. They've got all the old CD-ROM drives they need to boot up a small fleet, anyway ..

Re: Google Pays for Drones To Bust African Rhino Poachers

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This is welcome from Google, as focused aid of this sort can often have an outsize effect, but we must be careful to avoid believing this can solve the problem.

For one, sophisticated UAVs that are much more capable than those the WWF is getting are already being used to combat rhino poaching. SANParks, the state agency responsible for South Africa's state-run national parks, has deployed the Seeker II military-spec UAV[0], ground radar, thermal imagers, cameras and dedicated teams of heavily armed rangers in the Kruger National Park, one of Africa's largest wildlife reserves. All anti-poaching resources have been placed under the command of Major General Johan Jooste, a highly-regarded retired military commander and a rewards program giving approximately US$ 10 000 to anybody whose tip-off results in the arrest of a poacher and about US$ 100 000 for a tip-off leading to the arrest of the head of a poaching syndicate has been created. At the same time the South African Army has deployed units in both the border patrol and anti-poaching role in certain parks.

These measures are all helping, but it's important to understand just what an impossible task this is. SANParks's 19 national parks alone cover 37 000 km², that's larger than Belgium, Israel, Lebanon and most US states. Moreover those 19 parks are dispersed across South Africa's 1.2 million km² and many of them are on the border of neighbouring countries from which many of these poachers come. It also doesn't include the hundreds of private wildlife reserves across the country which have been badly hit by rhino poaching. As the US has discovered on its southern border with Mexico, trying to prevent small bands of people from crossing a border this large is impossible even with UAVs, manned aircraft and massive resources.

So technology alone is not going to solve this, though it and other measures are hopefully going to help reduce the rate at which rhinos are being killed. The only long-term solution is to somehow stop the demand for rhino horn from Asia and thus remove the profit motive for poaching rhinos in the first place.

[0] The Seeker II is a 9-12 hour endurance UAV with all the standard surveillance gear such as FLIR cameras that is being provided free of charge by Denel, a South African arms manufacturer. The intention is to supplement that with a longer-ranged model, the Seeker 400, sometime next year. At the same time they're finalising development of a much smaller UAV, the Hungwe, that can be deployed by ranger teams for short-range surveillance.

Re: Google Pays for Drones To Bust African Rhino Poachers

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post #14

The USAF's and CIA's use of drones in the Middle East has sparked the imagination across all kinds of projects such as this one. But the reality is that military-style drones that can stay aloft for days are extremely expensive to purchase and to operate. The well-known Predator drone, for example, costs $4 million per airplane, and it requires a classified global satellite network, an uplink station manned with thre…

Much of the cost of a Predator is because it's a weapon. That's not to say there is an abundance of excellent drones for civilian purchase, but I don't think they would need to be terribly expensive.

There is a huge abundance of civilian drone tech available in the hobby world. Don't forget that the whole feasability of drones in the first place was demonstrated in the hobby crowd. Many military drones do in fact derive their designs from RC/hobby realms ..

Re: Google Pays for Drones To Bust African Rhino Poachers

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post #14

The USAF's and CIA's use of drones in the Middle East has sparked the imagination across all kinds of projects such as this one. But the reality is that military-style drones that can stay aloft for days are extremely expensive to purchase and to operate. The well-known Predator drone, for example, costs $4 million per airplane, and it requires a classified global satellite network, an uplink station manned with thre…

The limitations of the stuff available to civilians have more to do with airspace regulations: commercial use of UAVs is simply not allowed[1]. Regulators are trying to figure out a better policy[2][3].

[1] http://mi6films.com/2011/rc-helicopter-mikrokopter-hexa-heli...

[2] https://www.aiaa.org/CAuav/

[3] http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21328506.200-civilian-...

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