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A third world engineer responds to “RISC-V: They should have known better”

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Re: A third world engineer responds to “RISC-V: They should have known better”

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Post by initramfs »

"Now price the same journey on the other side, forget x86-64 and that duopoly, patent minefield, with multi-thousand dollar debug probes; we'll take a look at ARM."

The 386 and 486 patent should have expired more than 20 years ago. No one tried to open source it. https://github.com/EI2030/Low-power-E-Paper-OS/blob/master/0... There were many companies that had clones in the early 90s, and I wonder whether any of them still have the rights to manufacture them.

" That is a better reason than elegance. and I want to tell Mr Grinberg, that the word priviledge he tosses around in his article also extends beyond the ISA depending on where you are in the world."

Grinberg is an emigre from Ukraine, which isn't the most privileged place in the world. In fact his research articles go deeper than the average software developer in Silicon Valley.

Re: A third world engineer responds to “RISC-V: They should have known better”

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Post by bigbadfeline »

handwarmers wrote: post #25
alephnerd wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it's a breath of fresh air compared to the usual bay area centric takes... HN hasn't been Bay Area centric in years. Honestly, most comments and usership on the platform seems to now align with SWE culture in DACH and CEE. Presumed RISC-V hate is a perfect example of that - the UCs and CSUs have been using RISC-V in their curriculum since the 2010s becuase Patterson is faculty at Cal and most CompArch courses in bo…

the fact that this comment is getting downvoted into oblivion instead of discussed is poignant enough. fwiw, my experience is similar. hn has not been about startups, vc funding, or anything in that space for quite a while. to paraphrase a classic, this place is like a memory of the forum we used to love, and the memory is fading.

> this place is like a memory of the forum we used to love, and the memory is fading.

Well, this place (wherever you are) is like a memory of the world we used to love, and the memory is fading... Definitely true too.

You can't expect a place tightly connected to a changing world to stay the same.

Re: A third world engineer responds to “RISC-V: They should have known better”

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Post by Conan_Kudo »

chronic7403 wrote: post #43
pooper wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my experience, people in the United States often (incorrectly) short hand East Asia as Asia just like the people in the city of New York will often (correctly) short hand New York City as New York.

> In my experience, people in the United States often (incorrectly) short hand East Asia as Asia just like the people in the city of New York will often (correctly) short hand New York City as New York. In my experience, the only demographic who complains about “Asia = east Asia” are people from South Asia, aka Indians/desis

We aren't the only ones, but we are the loudest about it, because erasure sucks.

Re: A third world engineer responds to “RISC-V: They should have known better”

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Post by tekla »

bigcat12345678 wrote: post #40
HawtAds wrote: post #4

I love the article, it's a breath of fresh air compared to the usual bay area centric takes. However there's just one issue: > The students I want to teach are in the same position, and so are the ones in Nigeria and Bangladesh It does not take $60 to ship small sub $1 chips from Asia to Nigeria/Bangladesh. These two countries are all on global trade routes (both supply and demand) and the expensive last mile deliver…

This is a bay area centric take on a non bay area centric take. The typical bay area centric take has the following vibe: 1. I am among the group of most open minded people 2. I admit mistakes, but I don't change my view, that means I may make the same mistakes next time on a different concrete cases 3. Morally I am among the least corrupted 4. I work for the moderately morally questionable firms with nice paychecks,…

As exemplified in the following series of essays

https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/the-foothills-of-bay-area-h...

Re: A third world engineer responds to “RISC-V: They should have known better”

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Post by andybak »

chronic7403 wrote: post #43
pooper wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my experience, people in the United States often (incorrectly) short hand East Asia as Asia just like the people in the city of New York will often (correctly) short hand New York City as New York.

> In my experience, people in the United States often (incorrectly) short hand East Asia as Asia just like the people in the city of New York will often (correctly) short hand New York City as New York. In my experience, the only demographic who complains about “Asia = east Asia” are people from South Asia, aka Indians/desis

Ironically (for my generation in the UK at least) "Asian" meant "South Asian" and for a long time we didn't have a useful shorthand for "all parts of Asia"

Re: A third world engineer responds to “RISC-V: They should have known better”

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Post by Conan_Kudo »

initramfs wrote: post #51

"Now price the same journey on the other side, forget x86-64 and that duopoly, patent minefield, with multi-thousand dollar debug probes; we'll take a look at ARM." The 386 and 486 patent should have expired more than 20 years ago. No one tried to open source it. https://github.com/EI2030/Low-power-E-Paper-OS/blob/master/0... There were many companies that had clones in the early 90s, and I wonder whether any of them…

There are 386 and 486 open source reimplementations in Verilog (see z386 and z486). As far as I know, existing commercial 386/486 chips still manufactured (yes they exist!) are descendants of Cyrix work, not Intel or AMD. Consequently, VIA may be contractually holding those back rather than Intel/AMD doing anything there.

Re: A third world engineer responds to “RISC-V: They should have known better”

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Post by farlight »

spacechild1 wrote: post #26
HawtAds wrote: post #4

I love the article, it's a breath of fresh air compared to the usual bay area centric takes. However there's just one issue: > The students I want to teach are in the same position, and so are the ones in Nigeria and Bangladesh It does not take $60 to ship small sub $1 chips from Asia to Nigeria/Bangladesh. These two countries are all on global trade routes (both supply and demand) and the expensive last mile deliver…

> from Asia to Nigeria/Bangladesh. Bangladesh is a country in Asia...

I am in Asia, this means nothing, it's the largest continent on earth. I don't pay as much for shipping as the author does, but his struggles are nevertheless relatable: most sellers refuse to ship here, most of those who do want dozens and dozens of dollars for it, and some (few, usually Chinese) sellers save the situation from being completely hopeless.

Re: A third world engineer responds to “RISC-V: They should have known better”

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Post by Lagoon3384_SWE »

soulofmischief wrote: post #38
Lagoon3384_SWE wrote: post #28

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Naïve take. We live in a global neoliberal economy, our standards of living are the direct result of introducing scarcity and other forms of exploitation elsewhere while keeping domestic populations largely unaware of how unfair their position is. There is no ethical basis to simply "focus on ourselves" here. We must do the exact opposite.

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Re: A third world engineer responds to “RISC-V: They should have known better”

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Post by bonoboTP »

pooper wrote: post #36
spacechild1 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> from Asia to Nigeria/Bangladesh. Bangladesh is a country in Asia...

In my experience, people in the United States often (incorrectly) short hand East Asia as Asia just like the people in the city of New York will often (correctly) short hand New York City as New York.

It's an interesting evolution given that Asia as a term started out meaning just the westernmost tip of current-Asia, ie Western Anatolia.
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