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Woman pulled over twice after Flock-linked software connected her to homicide

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Re: Woman pulled over twice after Flock-linked software connected her to homicide

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Post by cwillu »

M3L0NM4N wrote: post #25
VariousPrograms wrote: post #13

The inaccuracy of our omniscient AI surveillance network isn't why I'm against it. The conclusion of this article is that we need more humans in the loop for a successful police state.

For successful policing*. Which everyone should be for. edit: Every single thing you guys have replied with are policy/law debates, not enforcement debates. I disagree with many laws on the books today. I want the laws changed, not selective/arbitrary enforcement of them.

I'm not for “successful policing”: the term is way too ambiguous and I know that many people would have definitions in mind that I would find repugnant.

Re: Woman pulled over twice after Flock-linked software connected her to homicide

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Post by nemomarx »

Barbing wrote: post #43
quietsegfault wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it’s so dangerous, perhaps we should find a way to better control the danger of firearms.

Yes and in the meantime, respond with all available resources? (pretending my parents, wife, children are police officers and posting from that perspective, but do not like taste of boot nor Flock - just thinking logical on the ground procedure accounting for broken larger system)

Try pretending your wife and children are in a car being pulled over for a drug inspection and think from that perspective. Or to have their papers checked to make sure they're not illegal aliens, whichever you prefer.

Re: Woman pulled over twice after Flock-linked software connected her to homicide

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Post by M3L0NM4N »

giantg2 wrote: post #38
M3L0NM4N wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Police in the US should respond to the hilt because the likelihood of the suspect being armed is significantly higher than any other country...

Most police in the US don't overreact to the presence of a weapon during traffic stops or pther routine interactions. Many states could have around 10% of people carrying a gun, making armed interactions quite common.

I completely agree. My point was that they should always be prepared for the worst.

Re: Woman pulled over twice after Flock-linked software connected her to homicide

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Post by kittoes »

M3L0NM4N wrote: post #25
VariousPrograms wrote: post #13

The inaccuracy of our omniscient AI surveillance network isn't why I'm against it. The conclusion of this article is that we need more humans in the loop for a successful police state.

For successful policing*. Which everyone should be for. edit: Every single thing you guys have replied with are policy/law debates, not enforcement debates. I disagree with many laws on the books today. I want the laws changed, not selective/arbitrary enforcement of them.

Virtually everyone is, including those who oversimplify and go too far with words like "abolish". The problem we have right now is that "successful policing" is currently defined in such a way that there's almost zero accountability for those who enforce the law.

Re: Woman pulled over twice after Flock-linked software connected her to homicide

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Post by allthetime »

thataccount wrote: post #2

The outrage level and desire to stop tech being used this way ought to be reaching a fever pitch rather than being a kind of unfortunate documentary of how it isn't working right.

Facebook is flooded with Anti-Flock content and encouragement to cut them down right now. And the comments are overwhelmingly in support aside from the usual "if you have nothing to hide..." comments.

Re: Woman pulled over twice after Flock-linked software connected her to homicide

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Post by baobabKoodaa »

M3L0NM4N wrote: post #25
VariousPrograms wrote: post #13

The inaccuracy of our omniscient AI surveillance network isn't why I'm against it. The conclusion of this article is that we need more humans in the loop for a successful police state.

For successful policing*. Which everyone should be for. edit: Every single thing you guys have replied with are policy/law debates, not enforcement debates. I disagree with many laws on the books today. I want the laws changed, not selective/arbitrary enforcement of them.

Go get successfully policed and then come back here.

Re: Woman pulled over twice after Flock-linked software connected her to homicide

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Post by M3L0NM4N »

nemomarx wrote: post #35
M3L0NM4N wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Police in the US should respond to the hilt because the likelihood of the suspect being armed is significantly higher than any other country...

They still die less often than pizza delivery drivers even with that. I think they could eat the extra risk in traffic stops.

I would prefer less people die, actually.

Re: Woman pulled over twice after Flock-linked software connected her to homicide

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Post by sophacles »

Animats wrote: post #19

That's not a Flock error. That's a law enforcement error. Flock isn't responsible for a bogus warrant in the system. The woman probably has a good case for damages from the police department for doing it twice. That's sloppy police work.

Flock amplifies existing bugs. Sounds like Flock is the error.
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