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England set to be one of the first countries to eliminate hepatitis C

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Re: England set to be one of the first countries to eliminate hepatitis C

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The title shows a lack of understanding. BBC has become really low quality.

What do you mean by this? The article quotes an NHS director backing up the statement in the title.

> England is now leading the world in the mission to eliminate this disease and on course to beat the WHO's 2030 target, but we are determined to keep up the momentum and finish the job.

Seems fairly unambiguous to me

Re: England set to be one of the first countries to eliminate hepatitis C

#55
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one is confused if you can the UK a country, or if you call England, Wales, or Scotland a country. You might get a tedious person saying something like "actually, Wales is a principality".

Maybe not in isolation, but if you call the UK and England both countries in the same conversation you’re going to be met with confusion.

Maybe...? I mean not anyone I know but i'm in the UK to be fair.

It's like if you put four boxes in a box, it's not too confusing that the outer box is still a box.

Re: England set to be one of the first countries to eliminate hepatitis C

#56

Just to understand this: When someone says "country England", do they mean "country" like in "nation", considering England a separate nation, or is it a lapse and they mean UK? Is England usually referred to as a country, or just part of a country? I usually think of a country as equal to a nation, and as far as I know, Wales and Scotland have not split off yet? Is the term "country" not actually that sharply defined…

Yeah England is a country. Like what else do we have the name “England” for? We talk a lot more about England than some non-country geography like Anatolia (Asian Turkey). For example there was no UK in the World Cup, but England made it quite far. If that’s a bit eccentric, well this is the same place that refers to Europe as a different place even though France borders the UK by automobile road.

To make things worse, sometimes team GB competes :) (Edit: in other sports)

Re: England set to be one of the first countries to eliminate hepatitis C

#57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The target of treating 80% of all known cases has already been met, and deaths from the virus have fallen by 36% in the last decade, just short of what is needed by 2030. Taking antiviral tablets for 8 to 12 weeks can cure more than 95% of cases. So indeed diagnosing the cases is leading directly to deaths prevented.

> So indeed diagnosing the cases is leading directly to deaths prevented. This is not what the title claims. The title claims that hepatitis C is to be eliminated, aka 0%. This is not possible; anyone with a basic 101 virology knows why. BBC lies here via the title.

You seem to think there is some kind of conspiracy at play. The BBC is simply using the terminology used by the professionals who deal with this.

Re: England set to be one of the first countries to eliminate hepatitis C

#58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah... but there aren't any borders really.

I don't know if borders matter much in this case. It's approximately just as easy to travel to England from many other countries as it is to travel to England from the rest of the UK.

What? No it's not just as easy, especially since Brexit now there are real border issues compared to driving down the road.

Re: England set to be one of the first countries to eliminate hepatitis C

#59

Just to understand this: When someone says "country England", do they mean "country" like in "nation", considering England a separate nation, or is it a lapse and they mean UK? Is England usually referred to as a country, or just part of a country? I usually think of a country as equal to a nation, and as far as I know, Wales and Scotland have not split off yet? Is the term "country" not actually that sharply defined…

CGP Grey: The United Kingdom Explained (2015) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNu8XDBSn10

Re: England set to be one of the first countries to eliminate hepatitis C

#60

Just to understand this: When someone says "country England", do they mean "country" like in "nation", considering England a separate nation, or is it a lapse and they mean UK? Is England usually referred to as a country, or just part of a country? I usually think of a country as equal to a nation, and as far as I know, Wales and Scotland have not split off yet? Is the term "country" not actually that sharply defined…

England is a country, and if you're reading this on the BBC they most certainly are using the correct terminology. It is not a sovereign country, but instead is a part of the constituents comprising the UK state.

OK, so now we have the following terms: State, nation, country, sovereign country.

For example in Germany one would say there are 16 states, but one wouldn't say that there are 16 countries. Never heard anyone claim that. So state seems to be different from country, at least here. Would people in the UK say that Scotland or Wales are "nations"? Or is at least that term very clearly only for units that could participate under a flag in lets say the olympics? (I assume here, that Scotland and Wales are not separately competing, but are under UK flag.)

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