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Half of Europe's towns and villages have fewer residents than 60 years ago

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Re: Half of Europe's towns and villages have fewer residents than 60 years ago

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Meanwhile The Netherlands is bright green due to its suburbanization policies of the 1970s. Let’s spread people out instead of building out our cities…

I don't think what works in a small and flat country with a famously productive agricultural sector can work equally well in the mountains of Spain and Italy.

Northern France isn’t that mountainous and is way, way more urbanized than The Netherlands.

Re: Half of Europe's towns and villages have fewer residents than 60 years ago

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You didn't understand, I was referring to those "depopulated" places as well. So even thought a population of an area decreased prices don't show that.

I take it you've never heard of the 1 euro houses in rural Italy then...?

I take it you don't understand that nobody wants to live there - so considering it as a housing option is a joke. But ok, sorry for making a shortcut in my prev comment.

Re: Half of Europe's towns and villages have fewer residents than 60 years ago

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Something strange happens when people get wealthy and advanced enough. Cost of living rises, workload increases, it becomes unaffordable to have kids. 30 years later, everything is empty.

Places like Australia have plenty of land but, nah, everyone wants to live urban where housing prices are insane or inherited.

Food costs often go down in developed countries, cheaper than developing ones. Maybe they're so low that they can't afford to become farmers anymore? Not enough people buy corn and corn price is so cheap that it gets made into HFCS. But if you can't mass produce cheap corn, you're screwed and get a desk job.

So we have the service economy. Everyone sells services to one another, works from home, makes tons of money. Madrid has top-tier designers, chefs, doctors, moneylenders, nearly every kind of service. All the piles of money in a concentrated place like Madrid makes the whole place overpriced. If you happen to be the best tuna butcher in Western Europe, there's a limited number of places you can work, but many of these specialist jobs are also wfh.

Is there a hack to this though? Can our top tier Spanish pixel artist sell her services to someone in suburban Canada?

Re: Half of Europe's towns and villages have fewer residents than 60 years ago

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Europe has been ruined, since USA interfered militarily in Europe. Since 1900, major U.S. military interventions in Europe have included full-scale combat operations during World War I (1917–1918) and World War II (1941–1945), as well as targeted Allied troop deployments in Archangel and Siberia during the Russian Civil War (1918–1920). Throughout the Cold War, U.S. forces executed non-combat and advisory operations,…

These were all good things though? What are you're trying to get at? That Europe would have been better off under fascist or communist rule?

Re: Half of Europe's towns and villages have fewer residents than 60 years ago

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Some countries have really high housing prices and housing scarcity right on a border with another country where this isn't the case. You can get 30-40% differences just by moving a few km on the borders of the Netherlands. The reason this isn't that popular is that by moving like that you get to deal with different jurisdictions and tax systems. Particularly the social systems different countries have are very diffe…

> A two hour commute is much less of a problem if you can be a bit productive. A two hour commute sounds absolutely unbearable to my ears. I guess it makes sense if you are able work for 4 hours daily inside a train or something, but that's already half of the workday, i.e. you might as well just work from home.

I had about a 90 minute commute--each way--for about 18 months. Trust me; it's not nirvana even if it was by rail/subway except for about a 7 minute drive to the station. Wasn't sustainable long-term--which dot-bomb ensured it wasn't. Latterly, I was about 2 hours each way to go into our city office which I really didn't enjoy doing.

Re: Half of Europe's towns and villages have fewer residents than 60 years ago

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> A two hour commute is much less of a problem if you can be a bit productive. A two hour commute sounds absolutely unbearable to my ears. I guess it makes sense if you are able work for 4 hours daily inside a train or something, but that's already half of the workday, i.e. you might as well just work from home.

If you could reliably work from your autonomous vehicle for two hours you might be able to include that as part of your work day, e.g. 2 hours working on the ride in, 4 hours in the office, 2 hours on the ride home for the full 8 hours. If not, you could fall asleep in the backseat, watch some TV shows, or... you know. Just make sure your windows are tinted. In any case, I'd definitely take a 2 hour "do whatever in t…

I don’t agree at all. A train ride is not that different from what you’re suggesting a self-driving car will be… and I certainly wouldn’t want to spend 4 hours a day sitting in a vehicle. Even if it was my own first class seat, or even an entire train car.

Re: Half of Europe's towns and villages have fewer residents than 60 years ago

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People move to where they can make a living. Globalization has largely killed farming as a viable livelihood (in most of the EU at least), it's simply not profitable enough unless you have a massive amount of land/cattle or have invested heavily in automation (usually both). Without that important sector, it's doubtful the trend will reverse unless cities become literally unlivable or there's some kind of miracle in…

For Finland it seems that it is not the farming automation that kills these places. It is the deindustrialisation. Places die as the jobs die. And jobs are killed by big factories being closed leading to all other services starving. Globalisation is the killer, but via factories not farms.

Re: Half of Europe's towns and villages have fewer residents than 60 years ago

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You didn't understand, I was referring to those "depopulated" places as well. So even thought a population of an area decreased prices don't show that.

I take it you've never heard of the 1 euro houses in rural Italy then...?

These 1 Euro houses are scam. You have to pay for renovation more than it is worth.
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