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Mistral Patent for “Code implemented tool calls”

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Re: Mistral Patent for “Code implemented tool calls”

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post #16

It should be embarrassing and shameful to apply for such a trivial patent.

Businesses know no shame, if applying for a trivial patent is useful, they will of course do so.

The real problem is patents which are trivial and/broad being granted.

Re: Mistral Patent for “Code implemented tool calls”

#52
post #18

Do software patents only exist for rich players to build a moat against poorer players? At this point with patents of this quality only reason for them to exist seems to be to cross-license them for extra revenue and to possibly block anyone too poor to fight for themselves...

Almost all these patents exist as a war chest and a deterrent against other companies. Everyone theoretically perpetually infringes on each other's obscure patents all the time, but there is a detente between the big players because they hold the gun to each other's heads. If you as a small guy enter the game, you're just shot.

Re: Mistral Patent for “Code implemented tool calls”

#53
post #16

It should be embarrassing and shameful to apply for such a trivial patent.

“Claude, please review my repo for any work that could be novel enough to receive a patent. Be liberal in your definition of ‘novel’”

I know it’s a joke, but it does make me wonder if LLMs would even be good at assessing if an idea is “novel”.

I only have a rudimentary understanding of how neural networks work, but I wonder if rather than “understanding” what “novel” really means to humans, an LLM would be most likely to agree that something was novel based on having seen that specifically referred to as novel in its training data.

So that if you give it an example of something that already exists, but which was very recently invented at the point in time when the LLM was trained, and you ask “is this a novel idea?” that because it had several sources in its training data describing that idea as novel, it would say “yes that’s a novel idea”. Whereas what we really meant was to ask it if someone else had already thought of this thing prior to us right now in this later moment.

And then on the other hand, even if something was “novel” at the point in time when the LLM was trained, perhaps we would fare better to ask it “has anyone thought of this?” rather than asking if the idea is “novel”? And that even though it considers the idea novel in a way it would also be able to say that yes this has already been thought of.

Re: Mistral Patent for “Code implemented tool calls”

#54

So anyone have prior art we can point to? Because no way is a rpc call novel.

Improvements in existing tech can be patented. An RPC call that an AI writes for itself and then executes is a novelty from prior art. Whether it’s non-obvious is up for debate but if it gets past the patent officer that debate happens via lawsuit

> but if it gets past the patent officer that debate happens via lawsuit

Or an Inter Partes Review!

Re: Mistral Patent for “Code implemented tool calls”

#55
I do wonder if we need a charitable foundation that does software patents and makes them freely available just to stop cockroaches abusing patents.

Another step (although governance would need to be super good for this). Would be for this charity to withold access to these patents from companies that decide to abuse stupid patents.

Re: Mistral Patent for “Code implemented tool calls”

#56
post #9

How is the US patent registry easy to search ? I would be curious to see the patent registration of OpenAI, Anthropic, Google, etc. One way or another, I do fully expect every of those companies to try to fill these kinds of "almost for sure invalid and overturnable" patent as a way to defend themselves from every other actor (the classic "Oh I infringed on your patent ? Well here are some of MY patent you are infrin…

Believe it or not, but law offices make heavy use of https://patents.google.com/

This is markedly better than the USPTO website, FWIW.

Re: Mistral Patent for “Code implemented tool calls”

#57
post #10

This is just an RPC with JSON being passed around like a messaging system. So we are just vibe patenting rubbish and rebranding it with AI?

It's closer to a trojan horse talking to its C&C server than a typical RPC scenario.

In particular it's the server telling the client to execute arbitrary code in response to a request from the client.

Re: Mistral Patent for “Code implemented tool calls”

#59
post #18

Do software patents only exist for rich players to build a moat against poorer players? At this point with patents of this quality only reason for them to exist seems to be to cross-license them for extra revenue and to possibly block anyone too poor to fight for themselves...

It builds corporate value. If you end up with a portfolio of patents that someone might want to acquire, you've just created a new market for your company. Individual software patents of common quality probably don't matter.

Re: Mistral Patent for “Code implemented tool calls”

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post #55

I do wonder if we need a charitable foundation that does software patents and makes them freely available just to stop cockroaches abusing patents. Another step (although governance would need to be super good for this). Would be for this charity to withold access to these patents from companies that decide to abuse stupid patents.

I think you do not need to register a patent, you can just publish the idea with a verifiable date, that could be considered as a "prior art". I would suggest to make a free website where anyone can publish any ideas although I do not understand how one can prove the publish date. And then the community could publish everything that might be potentially invented in near future to prevent others from getting a patent.

For example, I would publish the idea of a "self-driving car" that can drive without or with minimal human supervision using a computer. I believe this is pretty novel and can be called an invention.

Also I hope this patent is valid only in US and cannot be enforced in China.

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